What is the concept of heaven to you? (atheist, belief, exist)
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However, in the Bible I find biblical hell is the grave and as we can see the cemetery is Not an imagined place.
Jesus was in the grave after he died - Acts 2:27 - King James wrongly uses the word hell instead of grave.
Heaven in the Bible is God's home - 1st Kings 8 - and yes we can't see heaven.
The Bible teaches only some go to heaven and they have two (2) jobs to perform. - Rev. 5:9-10; 20:6; 2:10
They are to govern over mankind living on Earth serving as kings and priests with Christ Jesus.
As kings taking care of governmental duties towards people of Earth
As priests taking care of spiritual responsibilities towards people living on Earth.
Every group otherizes, and the JWs in my view are execrable for many reasons, but I will give them this much: at least they are not into the suffering-porn of eternal perdition. I don't see eternal life as something to be pursued anyway, so it's all good. That DOES leave the shunning thing, which is toxic and perverse and most often quite cruel. And coming from that world, you would know.
But at least in some hypothetical where there really is eternal life, many Christians are actually willing to contemplate spending eternity with the full awareness that many friends and loved ones are suffering as much as they are in bliss, and somehow not have that dilute the rewards of heaven at all. Whereas at least with the JWs it is just unfortunate those folks didn't join the party and are missing out, but there is not some sort of prurient smugness that they are paying for it way out of proportion to any conceivable offense.
My in-laws are Christian and they don't otherize. Ive seen many Christians on here alone use their faith to connect with different people instead of trying to lable them.
My in-laws are Christian and they don't otherize. Ive seen many Christians on here alone use their faith to connect with different people instead of trying to lable them.
Absolutely. I've spoken here many times of my late wife's uncle and aunt, of the missionary friend who helped me through my divorce from my first wife many years ago, etc. In my experience however they are exceptions and outliers, and not typical. They tend to be good people in spite of, rather than because of, their religious beliefs.
Seeing heaven (and hell) are imaginary places, you can make them be whatever you want. The same goes for Valhalla, Atlantis, Camelot, El Dorado, the Garden of Eden, or a plethora of other mythological places.
That's not true. Valhalla is right there in Westchester County, New York, and I've driven through El Dorado, ON, many times. The first few times I didn't realize I was in a town called El Dorado. I just saw the cemetery sign, and it cracked me up because I have a sick sense of humor.
That's not true. Valhalla is right there in Westchester County, New York, and I've driven through El Dorado, ON, many times. The first few times I didn't realize I was in a town called El Dorado. I just saw the cemetery sign, and it cracked me up because I have a sick sense of humor.
Seeing heaven (and hell) are imaginary places, you can make them be whatever you want. The same goes for Valhalla, Atlantis, Camelot, El Dorado, the Garden of Eden, or a plethora of other mythological places.
That's not true. Valhalla is right there in Westchester County, New York, and I've driven through El Dorado, ON, many times. The first few times I didn't realize I was in a town called El Dorado. I just saw the cemetery sign, and it cracked me up because I have a sick sense of humor.
IDK what Normstad would answer but I wouldn't put it that they are imaginary, but that they are asserted without evidence. So the burden of proof (how one would know that heaven or hell literally exist) would be on the one asserting that they do.
That's not true. Valhalla is right there in Westchester County, New York, and I've driven through El Dorado, ON, many times. The first few times I didn't realize I was in a town called El Dorado. I just saw the cemetery sign, and it cracked me up because I have a sick sense of humor.
Ah... original settlers trying their best at marketing for future ones.
Brilliant.
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