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Old 05-13-2022, 02:22 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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Yes and thanks for providing the context. If modeling is not provided, then the idea is almost always meant to benefit the one spreading the idea.
I like that. It's a good litmus test.
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Old 05-13-2022, 02:29 PM
 
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Ironically, this is about same with me. Including my son, who was bathed in the Spirit and after that, god talks to him.

People are scared of anything new. Anything, that shakes their established picture of the world. If they found something and, usually, that is something that many in numbers adhere to, that becomes their safe harbor and comfort zone, they fear to get out of. Add to this general results of educational system that, basically teaches lies and by no means encourages freedom and independence of thought. Social pressure to stay in line with social norms.
Good, we are not burning "heretics" at stake anymore....
It is a good thing heretics are not burned anymore. New things don't frighten me because curiosity is part of my constitution as well as creating things for myself, even if that means reinventing the wheel, which happened in some cases, but in others, the structures have been tailored just for myself. Anything new that comes my way gets processed the same way. It sounds very robotic, but it fits my life.

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Why did you decide that, self defense is karmaic action? Even in the bible it says, do not murder, but does not say, do not kill. If you have to, you have to. It is said that, even if Buddha kills someone, that will be no consequence to his Destiny as, anything Buddha does, is non-karmaic.
I don't think self-defense is karmaic action. I support self-defense.
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Old 05-13-2022, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Forgiveness is something we do for ourselves. it is not predicated upon what anyone else does or says, it is not dependent upon anyone else's actions, attitudes, behavior, or words. it has nothing to do with the other person.
Oh, silly me thinking about how best to do unto others.
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Old 05-13-2022, 03:05 PM
 
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I surely wish empathy was our inherent nature, because many times it seems that it's lack of empathy that is causing so many of our problems these days. Lack of empathy that keeps us from making the progress we should in so many ways as a people, society, country, world.
Anger and resentment are delusions that veil empathy that is inherent. nothing can be done about what others do or don’t do, we each live our own life and one can choose how to live it.
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Old 05-13-2022, 03:07 PM
 
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Oh, silly me thinking about how best to do unto others.
How is forgiving do unto others? so they will forgive you in return? forgiveness is not barter.
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Old 05-13-2022, 03:08 PM
 
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Oh, silly me thinking about how best to do unto others.
the post below is saying they don't forgive.
how is "not forgiving" fulfillment of "do unto others" ?

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I think there are things -- rare though they may be -- that are unforgivable...particularly if the offender shows no regret.
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Old 05-13-2022, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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How is forgiving do unto others? so they will forgive you in return? forgiveness is not barter.
There are people who request forgiveness.
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Old 05-13-2022, 03:10 PM
 
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Thank you for the suggestions. Yes, I can see these concepts being applied in a structured environment where there is some level of safety for everyone involved and accountability for the people working in the system.
yes. but it does require stepping outside of the box of crime and punishment. that is a huge step for most of us and it requires trust, empathy, all our goodness.
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Old 05-13-2022, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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the post below is saying they don't forgive.
how is "not forgiving" fulfillment of "do unto others" ?
It's not clear to me what you are asking
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Old 05-13-2022, 03:13 PM
 
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There are people who request forgiveness.
yes. what is the problem? the forgiving is still an action for oneself, regardless of how the other person feels. do you want freedom or vengeance? forgiving sets you free.
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