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Old 09-12-2022, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Not exactly--Others have polluted our water, air, land, and our food. Others have put a huge hole in the ozone layer causing all kinds of havoc weather and heat all across Gods earth. We are being forced by those to live in those conditions and its not improving. And on top of all of that they are selling us cancer. All by their gross misuse of science and math to fill their bank accounts with more 0,s. But have no fear, its all been foretold for these last days-2Tim 3- so we can be confident Gods kingdom is at hand. And his kingdom is the cure all.
"Others"? You're innocent of the things you mention? Hmmmmm.
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Old 09-12-2022, 04:12 PM
 
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Not exactly--Others have polluted our water, air, land, and our food. Others have put a huge hole in the ozone layer causing all kinds of havoc weather and heat all across Gods earth. We are being forced by those to live in those conditions and its not improving. And on top of all of that they are selling us cancer. All by their gross misuse of science and math to fill their bank accounts with more 0,s. But have no fear, its all been foretold for these last days-2Tim 3- so we can be confident Gods kingdom is at hand. And his kingdom is the cure all.
Who is they? You live in the same universe and their suffering is not different from yours. Nothing that is happening is not in the Order. Many worlds have been before this one, and many more will be. We are a tiny spect in the Universe. We should not take ourselves so seriously. Do good and if that is not possible dont do bad, dont cause misery.
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Old 09-12-2022, 09:08 PM
 
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God will do that.
Your god is a figment of your imagination. As are all gods, demons, angels or any other supernatural things. Just like faeries and leprechauns. Same scat, different pile.
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Old 09-13-2022, 05:29 AM
 
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Your god is a figment of your imagination. As are all gods, demons, angels or any other supernatural things. Just like faeries and leprechauns. Same scat, different pile.
Faith is different from proof. Powers higher than us exist. Earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes can flatten whole communities, towns, and cities in minutes. That we can explain HOW they happen does not explain why. We have no power to resist it. We live with uncertainties, that is all we have. When we leave home there is no guarantee we will return in one piece. But we have FAITH that we will and there is no rational explanation to support that.
One can ascribe Divinity to this power that is higher than us. Or we can call it fairytale.

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Old 09-13-2022, 07:03 AM
 
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One of the ways religion does good is that it invites us to be mindful of how we express ourselves.
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Old 09-13-2022, 07:10 AM
 
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What the Sri Rudram says, the text with which Ishvara is understood and worshipped:
“We worship You, Girisha, with words that are without blemish and surrender to you with a pure heart. Similarly we pray that you heal us and the world, free us of faults and blemish, and make us whole.â€

Girisha is one of the names Ishvara is addressed with. It indicates that He is the meaning that resides in words and texts. Without Him they are only scribbles and sound. So we offer our words to him as prayer. He becomes that which we think He is; He becomes what we need and pray for: Love, Courage, Wellness.
Wishing everyone a great day, wellness, and peace.


one my favorite prayers, "May the words of my mouth and the meditaton of my heart be pleasing before You"
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Old 09-13-2022, 07:19 AM
 
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One of the ways religion does good is that it invites us to be mindful of how we express ourselves.
One of the ways religion does good is it helps to reveal the type of people one is dealing with...based upon how they communicate their views and the vibe put forth.
The quality of the views and the way they are communicated (relative to Religion and Spirituality) is probatory...providing valuable insight.
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Old 09-13-2022, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Faith is different from proof. Powers higher than us exist. Earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes can flatten whole communities, towns, and cities in minutes. That we can explain HOW they happen does not explain why. We have no power to resist it. We live with uncertainties, that is all we have. When we leave home there is no guarantee we will return in one piece. But we have FAITH that we will and there is no rational explanation to support that.
One can ascribe Divinity to this power that is higher than us. Or we can call it fairytale.
Science has done an excellent job of explaining the why of "Earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes".
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Old 09-13-2022, 09:54 AM
 
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Science has done an excellent job of explaining the why of "Earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes".
The explanation as to why natural disaster happen is understood by means of measuring air pressure, temperature, and other conditions of the environment etc. That does not explain why those conditions should exist in the first place. Why today and not yesterday? Why should the temperature drop suddenly? Can we stop a hurricane or tornado by measuring its speed and velocity? We can only predict from the collection of conditions, measurements, and observation. Not a whole lot we can do about it other than endure as best as we can.
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Old 09-13-2022, 11:59 AM
 
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One of the ways religion does good is that it invites us to be mindful of how we express ourselves.
I appreciate your efforts in this regard, Tzaph. I misread them and misinterpreted your motives. You have helped me with my communication issues, as have others who have helped me see how I come across to others. My heart and intentions are not being accurately communicated.
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