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Old 08-10-2022, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Then it is not the abuse and the victims' trauma that you are concerned with, it is that religions claim to be the origin and arbitrators of what is moral to their adherents that seems to bother you. If they made no such claim then there is no issue?
It's called setting the example.
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Old 08-10-2022, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Unlike scout masters who abuse the young people in their charge? Unlike doctors who sexually violate the women athletes they have responsibility to? Unlike teachers? Unlike the predators in other religions, other fields? Unlike men who abuse their own children?
I'm not talking about the legal definition or the legal penalty. I'm talking about people who are supposed to be teaching moral principles not living those moral principles.

You can't be the moral authority...unless you are moral yourself.
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Old 08-10-2022, 07:25 PM
 
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It's called setting the example.
So then it is not the abuse that bothers you but that they fell from some pedestal that you don’t even believe they hold. You attribute no moral authority to them and still complain relentlessly they did not uphold the authority you deny them. Got it
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Old 08-10-2022, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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So then it is not the abuse that bothers you but that they fell from some pedestal that you don’t even believe they hold. You attribute no moral authority to them and still complain relentlessly they did not uphold the authority you deny them. Got it
Why don't you stop telling me what I think.
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Old 08-10-2022, 08:07 PM
 
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So then it is not the abuse that bothers you but that they fell from some pedestal that you don’t even believe they hold. You attribute no moral authority to them and still complain relentlessly they did not uphold the authority you deny them. Got it
This ^^^ describes the level of logic and reason they are working with.
It indicates that they don't work from/with logic & reason...their catalyst is bias and hate.
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Old 08-10-2022, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Germany
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Then it is not the abuse and the victims' trauma that you are concerned with, it is that religions claim to be the origin and arbitrators of what is moral to their adherents that seems to bother you. If they made no such claim then there is no issue?
Some of us can be concerned AND point out the hypocrisy. Why do I need to once again explain simple concepts to you?
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Old 08-10-2022, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Germany
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Why don't you stop telling me what I think.
Because ad hominems are a cheap way to avoid our actual points.
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:38 AM
 
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Because ad hominems are a cheap way to avoid our actual points.
Ha. Now we know something about your personal philosophy.
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:58 AM
 
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Some of us can be concerned AND point out the hypocrisy. Why do I need to once again explain simple concepts to you?
You are failing in both. One cannot point out hypocrisy from a position of hypocrisy.
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Old 08-11-2022, 07:08 AM
 
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Ha. Now we know something about your personal philosophy.
Yet you see me addressing your points. But well done on the ironic ad hominem.
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