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Old 06-30-2022, 05:07 AM
 
Location: minnesota
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I've related it many times.
I was converted from Atheism to Theism, from this forum...by reading Mystics' stuff.
He hipped me to the fact that God is not limited to the Deities and Characters found in ancient Religious & Mythological texts. That everything is just One Thing...and it's God.
I'd mistakenly always thought of God as like the Deities of Religions.
He was patient and benevolent and even put his Synthesis together at my request. How cool is THAT?!
He helped me find my God perceptive abilities...he was a career professor, so, he knows how to teach & impart knowledge.
So...that's how it went down.
So no experience?
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Old 06-30-2022, 05:11 AM
 
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Faith in Divinity comes from one’s own conviction.

strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof:

I dont usually quote dictionary definition, but this works -spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
The very existence of Divinity arises from faith, from faith that divinity resides within, there is only One.
If such faith is absent there is no god/divinity. Since faith requires no proof, it always exists. There is no absence.
This list of things were what you were TOLD to believe. That never works for long. Our reason will always emerge and what we believe needs to be authentic to us, it needs to make sense. If not the intellect will reject it.
Atheists have no faith in Divinity, so Divinity cannot exist. You cannot disbelieve what does not exist. Atheism is non-belief of what does not exist. It is nothing.
I am not disbelieving in the conviction of the belief. The belief exists. I am disbelieving that the belief is concrete where it is being told that it exists. If somebody tells me that the devil is responsible, I would say, no, that person is responsible. That doesn't make me anti-devil.
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Old 06-30-2022, 05:57 AM
 
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So no experience?
No...my understanding came out different than my teachers' did. But, then, no two perceptions of God/Belief/Faith are exactly the same. They number the same as the population.
But what he taught me is the most pertinent and important thing: "God" is not limited to just the Deities and characters of Ancient Religious & Mythological writings...and there are objectively existing manifestations of "God".
In fact...All That Is (Reality), is just One Thing...and it's "God". And I revere it as such.
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Old 06-30-2022, 06:07 AM
 
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I am not disbelieving in the conviction of the belief. The belief exists. I am disbelieving that the belief is concrete where it is being told that it exists. If somebody tells me that the devil is responsible, I would say, no, that person is responsible. That doesn't make me anti-devil.
Atheism, however is anti-Deity. It disbelieves the belief in deity. At the same time it believes this deity that it disbelieves, and which does not exist, is evil. At least some atheists do.
Belief in a deity is not concrete, it is faith. Again, whatever is told to you is not faith. Faith is unconditional.
Responsibility always lies with the person, and the person knows it no matter what anyone tells her. True knowledge is always right. What is told can, and does, change. Truth is what remains.
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Old 06-30-2022, 06:13 AM
 
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Atheism, however is anti-Deity. It disbelieves the belief in deity. At the same time it believes this deity that it disbelieves, and which does not exist, is evil. At least some atheists do.
Belief in a deity is not concrete, it is faith. Again, whatever is told to you is not faith. Faith is unconditional.
Responsibility always lies with the person, and the person knows it no matter what anyone tells her. True knowledge is always right. What is told can, and does, change. Truth is what remains.
If atheism is anti-deity, it would have been called anti-theism. But instead English speakers have accepted atheism, much in the same way as agnostic is not anti-gnostic or asexual is not anti-sexual.
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Old 06-30-2022, 06:24 AM
 
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Atheism, however is anti-Deity. It disbelieves the belief in deity. At the same time it believes this deity that it disbelieves, and which does not exist, is evil. At least some atheists do.
Belief in a deity is not concrete, it is faith. Again, whatever is told to you is not faith. Faith is unconditional.
Responsibility always lies with the person, and the person knows it no matter what anyone tells her. True knowledge is always right. What is told can, and does, change. Truth is what remains.
It is completely illogical and unreasonable (and other things I won't mention) to analyze & critique, and then, insult & mock the actions and attitude of a Entity one claims does not exist. Nonexistent Entities do not do or think anything.
If they believe that the issue lies with faulty literal interpretations of metaphorical and allegorical writings...then they could just say that.
Concocting tens of thousands of "Devils Advocate" type arguments (just meant to insult & mock) is not how you note disagreement with the differing Beliefs. Well...not if you are reasonable and together, you dont.
In my view...to do that, (and keep on doing it) is a hateful and miserable posture to take.
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Old 06-30-2022, 06:27 AM
 
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It is completely illogical and unreasonable (and other things I won't mention) to analyze & critique, and then, insult & mock the actions and attitude of a Entity one claims does not exist. Nonexistent Entities do not do or think anything.
If they believe that the issue lies with faulty literal interpretations of metaphorical and allegorical writings...then they could just say that.
Concocting tens of thousands of "Devils Advocate" type arguments (just meant to insult & mock) is not how you note disagreement with the differing Beliefs. Well...not if you are reasonable and together, you dont.
In my view...to do that, (and keep on doing it) is a hateful and miserable posture to take.
All of your opinions. You don't get to decide how I should disagree but I am willing to accept your negative view of it.
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Old 06-30-2022, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Atheism, however is anti-Deity. It disbelieves the belief in deity. At the same time it believes this deity that it disbelieves, and which does not exist, is evil. At least some atheists do.
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Old 06-30-2022, 06:50 AM
 
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If atheism is anti-deity, it would have been called anti-theism. But instead English speakers have accepted atheism, much in the same way as agnostic is not anti-gnostic or asexual is not anti-sexual.
Regardless of how inadequate words are in expressing our thoughts completely, atheists describe themselves as deity-deniers. They would even explain all the greekness of the expression, the origin of theos.
A simple question would be for atheists to answer “Do you deny deity?” Yes or no.
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Old 06-30-2022, 07:04 AM
 
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Regardless of how inadequate words are in expressing our thoughts completely, atheists describe themselves as deity-deniers. They would even explain all the greekness of the expression, the origin of theos.
A simple question would be for atheists to answer “Do you deny deity?” Yes or no.
No, I don't deny deity because I never had a chance to. What I have had a chance to do is not believe one's belief about a deity.
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