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This is always my struggle. I can not seem to let go and simply "believe." I always have to intellect the hell out of it.
I have always felt that got between me and "truly believing" anything.
Maybe esoterics is more like it. That makes me sad, though...because I wish I could be one of those people who can "just believe."
True knowledge has much higher power, than a belief of some sort. It has power of utter conviction. Also, unlike belief, one KNOWS, and knowledge is power.
I can’t really explain it, but you simply sit and chuckle, looking at all them religious skirmish. It’s like an old allegory about valley with mountain peaks surrounding it. You sit on a peak, looking down into a valley, where all the quarrel goes.
Main thing, you at least are seeking. In the time proper, when you ripen, it will be given onto you.
I am not sure there are many who “just believe”. Our innate reasoning would reject untill it makes sense. What that sense may be individual.
There’s call of reasoning and call of heart.
Call of reasoning is of the mind and it is very good at never ending reasoning. And, never ending doubt resulting, as reasons are plenty.
Call of the heart is direct acceptance of what is felt as right, as it is reviewed by the Conscious Self Rightness and Reason. That call, when accepted, needs no reasoning.
I guess one question is, could it be an older religion is closer to the truth of what God really is?
Ancientness has nothing to do with validity. If anything, it's a red flag, because in general the ancients knew less than we did, not more.
Of course, it's certainly possible that there is some wisdom lost in the mists of time. We seem to like that romantic ideal, though, so I'm thinking we tend to be biased toward it. One can readily see what one wants to see.
True knowledge has much higher power, than a belief of some sort. It has power of utter conviction. Also, unlike belief, one KNOWS, and knowledge is power.
I can’t really explain it, but you simply sit and chuckle, looking at all them religious skirmish. It’s like an old allegory about valley with mountain peaks surrounding it. You sit on a peak, looking down into a valley, where all the quarrel goes.
Main thing, you at least are seeking. In the time proper, when you ripen, it will be given onto you.
It's not about power. I don't need power, I crave more a connection.
Yep, still seeking! It's one thing I can't seem to stop, so I go with it.
Ancientness has nothing to do with validity. If anything, it's a red flag, because in general the ancients knew less than we did, not more.
Of course, it's certainly possible that there is some wisdom lost in the mists of time. We seem to like that romantic ideal, though, so I'm thinking we tend to be biased toward it. One can readily see what one wants to see.
Well, again...my feeling is, there's a definite difference between knowledge/intellect and belief.
But I'm still fascinated with this whole time period and their beliefs and while I'm not trying to romanticize it to a noble savage type of thing, I'd love to discuss with anyone who knows anything about PIE religion.
I think the reason I wonder about more ancient beliefs is that I find many religious stories to be like the game of telephone. "I like you" eventually becomes "it's raining on you" twelve people later...you know? Which is why "in the beginning" stuff always intrigues me and makes me take a second listen.
There’s call of reasoning and call of heart.
Call of reasoning is of the mind and it is very good at never ending reasoning. And, never ending doubt resulting, as reasons are plenty.
Call of the heart is direct acceptance of what is felt as right, as it is reviewed by the Conscious Self Rightness and Reason. That call, when accepted, needs no reasoning.
Well, again...my feeling is, there's a definite difference between knowledge/intellect and belief.
But I'm still fascinated with this whole time period and their beliefs and while I'm not trying to romanticize it to a noble savage type of thing, I'd love to discuss with anyone who knows anything about PIE religion.
I think the reason I wonder about more ancient beliefs is that I find many religious stories to be like the game of telephone. "I like you" eventually becomes "it's raining on you" twelve people later...you know? Which is why "in the beginning" stuff always intrigues me and makes me take a second listen.
That's because every original teaching eventually is hijacked for either profit, or power, or both.
Also, original teachings are working, pretty much, only in Mahatma's presence. With him gone, you are following his footprints in the sand. Now dead ideas. Living Mahatma oozes his energy, his mesmerizing influence at his adepts.
The fool in his ignorance, disdaining Mahamudra,
Knows nothing but struggle in the flood of samsara.
Have compassion for those who suffer constant anxiety!
Sick of unrelenting pain and desiring release,
adhere to a master,For when his blessing touches your heart, the mind is liberated
Well, again...my feeling is, there's a definite difference between knowledge/intellect and belief.
But I'm still fascinated with this whole time period and their beliefs and while I'm not trying to romanticize it to a noble savage type of thing, I'd love to discuss with anyone who knows anything about PIE religion.
I think the reason I wonder about more ancient beliefs is that I find many religious stories to be like the game of telephone. "I like you" eventually becomes "it's raining on you" twelve people later...you know? Which is why "in the beginning" stuff always intrigues me and makes me take a second listen.
I tend to view it more like how a human life progresses. In the beginning, we have all sorts of ideas that we later discard (or in religious terms, "when I was a child, I thought as a child, I spoke as a child ... but when I became an adult, I put away childish things" -- I Corinthians 13). The difference here is that I rather doubt humanity, despite being around for a few hundred thousand years, is in anything like adulthood yet. Sometimes I think we are barely out of our diapers. But then all the more reason to suspect that ancient wisdom wouldn't represent some lost sophistication or something.
But I agree that doesn't make it less interesting to learn about, and I appreciate this topic. I just prefer to approach it with as few assumptions as possible. Which means, among other things, no free pass just because it's old.
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