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Old 07-08-2022, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Alabama
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How about DECADES of know sexual abuse of children by priests they ignored? Admitting it when you get caught isn’t the same thing as FIXING it the FIRST time it happens. The Church knew priests were sexually abusing children and all the Church did was move them to other parishes where they continued to abuse other kids.
I'm aware of what happened. What am I supposed to say? It's indefensible, and the guilty priests should have been publicly executed.
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Old 07-08-2022, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Alabama
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And probably few really deserved it. Good PR can overcome a multitude of sins.
You're certainly welcome to do your own research and come to your own conclusions.
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Old 07-08-2022, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Middle America
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Attained……. according to fallible men who had a vested interest in promoting the Church.
Well said!

The churches will always be blind to their ways; promoting the bumbled and protecting the guilty within.

The only way to see a church clearly and objective - like God sees - is to observe completely outside of the church. Then there is clarity and reality.

The sins and stumblings of the churches will not be condoned by God, and cannot be justified or hidden by man. The only solution is exposing and condemning each violation.
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Old 07-08-2022, 09:54 AM
 
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I'm aware of what happened. What am I supposed to say? It's indefensible, and the guilty priests should have been publicly executed.
I thought Catholics were against capital punishment. And against abortion in all cases, including rape. Am I wrong?

I thought that was at least a position of integrity, even if wrong.
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Old 07-08-2022, 09:54 AM
 
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The entire Catholic religion is premised on the belief that every human is fallible and sinful and in need of salvation and redemption. So how can you accuse Catholicism of not admitting their fallibility and sins?
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I'm aware of what happened. What am I supposed to say? It's indefensible, and the guilty priests should have been publicly executed.
You said (and I’ve quoted for reference) “So how can you accuse Catholicism of not admitting their fallibility and sins?”.

I can accuse Catholicism at the highest levels not doing either of those for DECADES. You just admitted as much. And don’t deflect that it’s just the priests who should be punished. It’s every single Catholic who knew what was happening and did nothing just to protect Church. They aided and abetted the priests and are equally guilty.

You don’t have to look any further for a reason many people dislike and distrust the Catholic Church and would never stand for a Catholic Monarchy.
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Old 07-08-2022, 09:55 AM
 
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I'm aware of what happened. What am I supposed to say? It's indefensible, and the guilty priests should have been publicly executed.
As well what the Catholic and Anglican churches did in the residential schools in Canada. Finally your church is sort of half way apologizing for the 200 years of physical and sexual abuse in trying to convert indigenous children to being indigenous in nae only. And the guilty cannot be publically executed. Death penalty is not legal and public executions were banned even earlier as cruel and inhumane.

Do you support cruel and inhumane punishment by a Catholic Monarch?
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Old 07-08-2022, 09:55 AM
 
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I thought Catholics were against capital punishment.
Many Catholics are opposed to capital punishment. I, however am not.

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And against abortion in all cases, including rape. Am I wrong?
This is correct, but I haven't said anything about abortion in this thread - nor will I.
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Old 07-08-2022, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Alabama
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Do you support cruel and inhumane punishment by a Catholic Monarch?
I am personally opposed to "cruel and inhumane" punishment of any kind.

"Cruel and inhumane" is a subjective standard, and it can be argued that capital punishment is not inherently "cruel and inhumane".
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Old 07-08-2022, 09:58 AM
 
Location: NJ
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The obvious difference between Christianity and any other religion is that you can visit the grave of any religious figure
Judaism teaches that we don't know exactly where Moses is buried so we can't visit his grave.
https://judaism.stackexchange.com/qu...ot-being-known
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Old 07-08-2022, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Alabama
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You said (and I’ve quoted for reference) “So how can you accuse Catholicism of not admitting their fallibility and sins?”.

I can accuse Catholicism at the highest levels not doing either of those for DECADES. You just admitted as much. And don’t deflect that it’s just the priests who should be punished. It’s every single Catholic who knew what was happening and did nothing just to protect Church. They aided and abetted the priests and are equally guilty.

You don’t have to look any further for a reason many people dislike and distrust the Catholic Church and would never stand for a Catholic Monarchy.
"Catholicism" or "the Catholic Church" and "individual Catholics who behave badly" are not the same thing.

I agree that anyone who aided and abetted the evil priests should also be punished, though not necessarily with death.
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