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The Pope admits the violence. I'd be curious to hear what the OP (EscalaMike) views are on this:
"Pope Francis apologized directly for the “grave sins” committed by the church. In 2000, Pope John Paul II began a new era in the church’s relationship to its history when he donned mourning garments to apologize for millennia of grievous violence and persecution — from the Inquisition to a wide range of sins against Jews, nonbelievers, and the indigenous people of colonized lands — and sought pardon “for the divisions among Christians, for the use of violence that some have committed in the service of truth, and for attitudes of mistrust and hostility assumed towards followers of other religions.
“Never again,” he said.
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"Apologies from the church are relatively new. The decision to issue apologies started roughly 40 years ago when former pope John Paul II began his reign. Apologetic language is not something churches are comfortable with. The church is being challenged to speak in a language it’s not used to speaking in. In past years, church statements have used terms such as “repent, confess, or ask pardon or forgiveness,” says Bergen. He says the Catholic Church needs to learn to speak a new language in order to better communicate with those who have been harmed by its actions. This includes words that make it clear what the wrong was, who did the wrong, and who’s responsible for it."
Maybe EscalaMike can comment on the Catholic Church apologizing directly in the manner indicated in bold above. Or does EscMk consider apologizing to be what he termed "the rotten fruit" of "making friends with the world."
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
In the 1960s, much of the hierarchy of the Catholic Church decided to make friends with the world rather than convert the world. We're 50+ years into this experiment, and we see the rotten fruit that it has borne. When the Catholic Faith is perceived as unnecessary, or just one option among many others just as legitimate, why bother with it?
Except that you focused on politics and not religion and when the thread is about Catholicism and a theoretical Catholic monarchy, trying to "balance" anything is useless. I wouldn't go into a thread about baseball in which the designated hitter rule is criticized and say "the two point conversion in football is also a problem."
Politics and not religion? I suppose that's one way to look at these conflicts...
Either way, the hypocrisy seems blaring to me. No matter which side of religion or politics one tends to lean toward. There are no innocents, and Catholicism is just one example of religious thinking and/or history that is hardly different from the others from a fair or critical standpoint. Not from a virtuous standpoint anyway.
If we were talking about sports, and someone wanted to point out all the flaws about baseball, I don't see it so outlandish that someone might point out the flaws in other sports too. That's all...
The Pope admits the violence. I'd be curious to hear what the OP (EscalaMike) views are on this:
"Pope Francis apologized directly for the “grave sins” committed by the church. In 2000, Pope John Paul II began a new era in the church’s relationship to its history when he donned mourning garments to apologize for millennia of grievous violence and persecution — from the Inquisition to a wide range of sins against Jews, nonbelievers, and the indigenous people of colonized lands — and sought pardon “for the divisions among Christians, for the use of violence that some have committed in the service of truth, and for attitudes of mistrust and hostility assumed towards followers of other religions.
“Never again,” he said.
for those who may not know, a millenium is a period of one thousand years, so "millenia" is the plural = thousands of years, of grievous violence and persecution which the Pope himself admits to and acknowledges and recognizes. That would be for the entire duration and existence of the Catholic church, which history puts at around 1700 years old, while the Catholic Church itself claims to be 2,000 years old.
"The Roman Empire legally recognized Pauline Christianity as a valid religion in 313 [CE]. Later in that century, in 380 [CE], Roman Catholicism became the official religion of the Roman Empire."
CE = Common Era, or Current Era; current calendar widely used. Current year is 2022 CE.
In your opinion or should I say in the words of your church. Even more dangerous is the inability to define what is pornographic, erotic , art, or exotic. As a photographer who is married to a visual artist I am well aware of the difficulties of keeping religious people from greatly expand what is pornographic into artistic or anything that has a nude. Censorship is "evil". Ive seen first hand at what is non pornographic being labelled as pornographic by somevlical religious folks.
There are studies that show legitimate uses for pornography. The only legitimate complaint I have for the little porn I have seen is it is mistly boring. I find it rich that you label porn as evil but support a Catholic Minarchy, the inquisition, the killing of Jews in Spain or so called heritics in Francr
Either way, I don't want these moral sheriffs deciding what consenting adults can watch or do...
That pornography is so popular and readily available to just about anyone who wants to watch it is simply more evidence that we are a free society and not ruled by backward people who want to live in a backward world.
The Pope has come to Canada to apologize to our indigenous people for the harm done to them in trying to make them non Indian and good little Christians. The Canadian governments and the Anglican Church has already done so
I do not believe that the children that were physically, mentally and sexually abused had their souls saved by being forced to forgo indigenous religions, languages or cultures to become Catholics.
I was at a indigenous community speaking to an older native who asked me if I was Catholic and I told me I was not. He said I was lucky as the elders would likely kill me if I was. I do not believe that to be the case but it just shows how much hatred some have towards Mike's church due to the inhumane and extremely cruel treatment inflicted upon innocent children. And yes they were innocent with their only crime was being born of indigenous parents which can never be a crime or a sin.
No problem with having a Monarch that is a Catholic but a Catholic Monarchy is frightening and regressive and a threat to not only non Catholics but to many Catholics themselves.
It will never happen.
Humanity has progressed too far, for that to ever happen.
If one looks at some of the Islamic nations that have regressed into oppressive states I am not sure I share your optimisim. It would sem far fetched for it to occur in the States but maybe not immposiible.
If one looks at some of the Islamic nations that have regressed into oppressive states I am not sure I share your optimisim. It would sem far fetched for it to occur in the States but maybe not immposiible.
light is winning.
the future of all religions is to become more accepting of one another.
just as some religions already are, and just as some religions always have been.
just as we have seen humanity grow to become more accepting of one another.
this is not done by force. it is the direction humanity has grown up. it is not what people have to "learn" or be "taught." They just know it. generations growing up now, are not generations of hating one another, or of claiming supremacy over another.
the young people growing up now have more sense than that.
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You are defending the Inquisition, and claim to be religious. Astounding!
His revelations have been alarming, to say the least! There is something seriously wrong with his education, indoctrination, or brainwashing for him to have such egregious beliefs, IMO. He seems to have the prototypical and extreme form of "other-directed" personality.
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