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Old 08-17-2022, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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No you haven't.
You are like the few people that are blind...telling the majority of sighted that they must "Face Reality", and that there really isn't anything to see.
And you base this upon the fact that you, yourself, can't see anything...and the sighted have been unable to make you able to see.
You are basing your "Reality" upon the pretense of your deficiency and your "lack".
Most are able to perceive God....THAT is the reality of it.
Most unfortunate that you are among the few that can't. I will pray for you.
Again believing is not perceiving.
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Old 08-17-2022, 11:47 PM
 
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If you're going to tell my story, then at least get it right.
it is an illustrative example regarding ideas and concepts being discussed.
it is not about specific individuals.
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Old 08-17-2022, 11:53 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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for instance let's use an example. Let's say someone self-identifies as a Buddhist. They share that their own personal experiences have led them to believe in past lives (rebirth, reincarnation). This is a belief they hold, based on evidence from their own personal experience, but they acknowledge that they can not "prove it" to anyone else. So they don't call it a fact. That is an example of how evidence can lead to a belief.

for that person there is evidence of reincarnation.
for another person there is no evidence of reincarnation.
whether or not there is evidence therefore is subjective.

again: "there is no evidence" is subjective. "there is no evidence" is not a fact.
First personal experience, delusions or dreams are not evidence. Evidence must have the ability to be repeated and shared.

According to a 2007 study by the University of Iceland, an estimated 62% of the nation believe that the existence of elves is more than a fairy tale. Do you think they have evidence that would convince you?
https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/2...ple-of-iceland


According to a new survey, 44 percent of British people claim to have seen fairies.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/9k8n...ies-real-study
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Old 08-18-2022, 12:10 AM
 
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First personal experience, delusions or dreams are not evidence. Evidence must have the ability to be repeated and shared. According to a 2007 study by the University of Iceland, an estimated 62% of the nation believe that the existence of elves is more than a fairy tale. Do you think they have evidence that would convince you? According to a new survey, 44 percent of British people claim to have seen fairies.
bold above is also a personal view and a subjective opinion. bold above is your belief, what you believe evidence to be.

for others, evidence is as described in this Collins Dictionary definition: "Evidence is anything that you see, experience, read, or are told that causes you to believe that something is true or has really happened."

evidence means one thing to you. you have a belief about what is evidence. and you have reasons why you hold that belief, those reasons are also subjective.

evidence means something else to another person. they have a belief about what is evidence. and they have reasons for holding that belief.

ergo what is considered "evidence" is subjective.
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Old 08-18-2022, 12:14 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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it is an illustrative example regarding ideas and concepts being discussed.
it is not about specific individuals.
Bull toddy. Try being honest.
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Old 08-18-2022, 12:42 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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bold above is also a personal view and a subjective opinion. bold above is your belief, what you believe evidence to be.

for others, evidence is as described in this Collins Dictionary definition: "Evidence is anything that you see, experience, read, or are told that causes you to believe that something is true or has really happened."

evidence means one thing to you. you have a belief about what is evidence. and you have reasons why you hold that belief, those reasons are also subjective.

evidence means something else to another person. they have a belief about what is evidence. and they have reasons for holding that belief.

ergo what is considered "evidence" is subjective.
According to Collins, but not my definition of evidence

Evidence - The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
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Old 08-18-2022, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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According to Collins, but not my definition of evidence

Evidence - The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
I agree with your definition. Everything else is akin to hearsay, but religionists and wooists rely on that.
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Old 08-18-2022, 01:10 AM
 
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According to Collins, but not my definition of evidence. Evidence - The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"your definition"
definitions vary

ergo subjective. it is your belief what the word evidence means.
= personal view, subjective opinion.

evidence varies (and is subjective)
definitions of what is evidence also vary (and are subjective)
and beliefs about what is evidence vary (and are subjective)
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Old 08-18-2022, 04:19 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Do you think that you will ever gain the normal/common ability to perceive God...like 90% of all the people that have ever lived?
No, as this perception does not exist. You are referring to the ability to believe in many different gods, which is different to actually perceiving something, as is seen by the fact that most people 'perceive' a god that created your alleged god. The god most people believe in (Yahweh) is mutually exclusive to what you label a god.
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Old 08-18-2022, 04:29 AM
 
Location: Germany
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It's actually "normal" to be able to perceive God...and most that have existed can. But it's still "special".
Like being able to see, compared to being blind. Most have been capable of vision...but it's still "special"....especially, relative to "blindness".
Theism is to sight...as Atheism is to being blind.
Yet most people 'perceive' Yahweh, while you do not.
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