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Old 09-17-2022, 03:08 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Attempting to require a theist to prove the existence of the divine, is not unlike requiring Steven Hawkings ( R.I.P) to prove the existence of black holes, or dark matter.

Many have written about them. Nobody has " seen " them.

They are not unlike the divine, in that we can only perceive the affects of their existence. The impact they have on surrounding " bodies".

Nevertheless, belief of " their " existence remains.

The affects of The Divine are manifest.

The results are open to debate.
Actually, we have seen black holes, or more accurately, we have seen the event horizon of black holes and have to date photographed two black holes, including the one at the center of our own galaxy.
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Old 09-17-2022, 03:11 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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Attempting to require a theist to prove the existence of the divine, is not unlike requiring Steven Hawkings ( R.I.P) to prove the existence of black holes, or dark matter.

Many have written about them. Nobody has " seen " them.

They are not unlike the divine, in that we can only perceive the affects of their existence. The impact they have on surrounding " bodies".

Nevertheless, belief of " their " existence remains.

The affects of The Divine are manifest.

The results are open to debate.
What affects can only be attributed to The Divine?
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Old 09-17-2022, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Actually, we have seen black holes, or more accurately, we have seen the event horizon of black holes and have to date photographed two black holes, including the one at the center of our own galaxy.
I agree. We see the event horizon. But not the hole,other than what's NOT there.
And we don't know where it goes. It's just theory at this point.

Don't really want to debate astrophysics. I couldn't if I wanted to.

But I hope you see my point.
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Old 09-17-2022, 05:37 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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I agree. We see the event horizon. But not the hole,other than what's NOT there.
And we don't know where it goes. It's just theory at this point.

Don't really want to debate astrophysics. I couldn't if I wanted to.

But I hope you see my point.
I do.
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Old 09-17-2022, 05:42 PM
 
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What affects can only be attributed to The Divine?
The ones believers, those with faith in Divinity, attribute to it.
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Old 09-17-2022, 05:46 PM
 
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I don't understand what you are trying to say. You attribute your faith to Divinity?
That too, yes.
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Old 09-17-2022, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Florida
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What affects can only be attributed to The Divine?
ONLY the divine? As a theist, it would be easy to give examples to another theist. But that's not your intent I'm sure.

The message the author is trying to convey with
The Sermon on the Mount, is attributed to the divine.
It's message seems pretty familiar now. But at the time, it was radical.

The affects of which are manifest.
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Old 09-17-2022, 05:50 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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ONLY the divine? As a theist, it would be easy to give examples to another theist. But that's not your intent I'm sure.

The message the author is trying to convey with
The Sermon on the Mount, is attributed to the divine.
It's message seems pretty familiar now. But at the time, it was radical.

The affects of which are manifest.
Examples are exactly what I was asking for. I was asking what the affect looked like.
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Old 09-17-2022, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Examples are exactly what I was asking for. I was asking what the affect looked like.
If one where to adhere to the message, the affects would be plain to see.
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Old 09-18-2022, 08:16 AM
 
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Truth No 5: God, if he exists, does not interfere or participate in human affairs.


With regard to this truth, I caution people: this winter is going to be particular brutal for many of us with energy in extremely short supply and severe weather events going on that are out of the norm. I urge Christians: for your own safety and the safety of your family


Do NOT rely on God to save you from such difficulties because he won't. YOU are your own best defense against the problems that will be coming your way. Plan assiduously. "The Lord helps those who help themselves" should be your creed in these arduous times.
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