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Old 03-09-2023, 01:06 PM
 
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It s inherently contradictory to whatever it is intended to convey. To think there is MORE to something is not to REDUCE or limit it.

"To think there is more to thought than thought itself is to reduce thought to limits which prevent the transcendence toward the one truth readily available to all of us."


Here it is about thoughts. Thoughts are mere impressions on the mind, change constantly, create emotions and lead to actions, and are unreal. What illuminates the thoughts and makes us aware is Atma/Self which is what our spiritual inquiry is about. Understanding clearly and without doubt the distinction between the unreal and the real, the body-mind complex and the self-illuminating, ever present, and changeless Atma/Self is the path to Moksha, freedom from the bondage of samsara, to the state of Advaita, the non-dual Oneness.
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Old 03-09-2023, 03:18 PM
 
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"To think there is more to thought than thought itself is to reduce thought to limits which prevent the transcendence toward the one truth readily available to all of us."


Here it is about thoughts. Thoughts are mere impressions on the mind, change constantly, create emotions and lead to actions, and are unreal. What illuminates the thoughts and makes us aware is Atma/Self which is what our spiritual inquiry is about. Understanding clearly and without doubt the distinction between the unreal and the real, the body-mind complex and the self-illuminating, ever present, and changeless Atma/Self is the path to Moksha, freedom from the bondage of samsara, to the state of Advaita, the non-dual Oneness.
An unchanging Oneness is absolutely irrational, to me, since the phenomenon of "experiencing" itself requires change, and any responses such as I encountered with it mandate the existence of change as well. As I said, we are at an impasse with respect to that aspect of your belief about the Oneness.
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Old 03-09-2023, 06:17 PM
 
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An unchanging Oneness is absolutely irrational, to me, since the phenomenon of "experiencing" itself requires change, and any responses such as I encountered with it mandate the existence of change as well. As I said, we are at an impasse with respect to that aspect of your belief about the Oneness.
i have no quarrel with your understanding of your experience. Experience is not truth. Brhman is not experienced, it is to be understood and known.
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Old 03-10-2023, 09:13 AM
 
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It s inherently contradictory to whatever it is intended to convey. To think there is MORE to something is not to REDUCE or limit it.
Perhaps, as cb suggests, you/we are not understanding what is thought, what to think about our thoughts and the limits thereof?

Can you or would you say the same thing about any of the other quotes posted in this thread before I posted the one I did? If not contradictory, are you comfortable accepting the truth proposed by these quotes?
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Old 03-10-2023, 09:45 AM
 
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Perhaps, as cb suggests, you/we are not understanding what is thought, what to think about our thoughts and the limits thereof?

Can you or would you say the same thing about any of the other quotes posted in this thread before I posted the one I did? If not contradictory, are you comfortable accepting the truth proposed by these quotes?

How about addressing this:



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I was hoping for you, someone, anyone to comment about the quote before doing so...

Does it resonate with you? Make sense? Do you agree with the quote?

If so, why? If not, why?
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Here it is about thoughts. Thoughts are mere impressions on the mind, change constantly, create emotions and lead to actions, and are unreal. What illuminates the thoughts and makes us aware is Atma/Self which is what our spiritual inquiry is about. Understanding clearly and without doubt the distinction between the unreal and the real, the body-mind complex and the self-illuminating, ever present, and changeless Atma/Self is the path to Moksha, freedom from the bondage of samsara, to the state of Advaita, the non-dual Oneness.
To keep on topic who is the Hindu Teacher that you are quoting?
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Old 03-10-2023, 10:09 AM
 
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How about addressing this:

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To keep on topic who is the Hindu Teacher that you are quoting?
Help me with this...

Is your response what you think or feel about the quote I posted? About the quote specifically, agree? Disagree? Does it resonate as true for you like the other quotes you have posted in this thread? Simple yes or no will do...
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Old 03-10-2023, 11:14 AM
 
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i have no quarrel with your understanding of your experience. Experience is not truth. Brhman is not experienced, it is to be understood and known.
Tell me this, CB. WHO or WHAT has to know and understand that since there is only Brhman???
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Old 03-10-2023, 11:24 AM
 
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Perhaps, as cb suggests, you/we are not understanding what is thought, what to think about our thoughts and the limits thereof?

Can you or would you say the same thing about any of the other quotes posted in this thread before I posted the one I did? If not contradictory, are you comfortable accepting the truth proposed by these quotes?
I have a rational and entirely consistent understanding (that disagrees with the understanding that seems to resonate with CB and Tzaph) of what is being referred to in these quotes.
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Old 03-10-2023, 01:40 PM
 
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Tell me this, CB. WHO or WHAT has to know and understand that since there is only Brhman???
The YOU in you that is writing posts here as Mystic, or your real name you call yourself. That you that mistakenly thinks it, the you, is separate from Brhman, god, divinity. This mistaken identity is due to many reasons. To overcome it one needs to identify and understand the mistaken belief, remove it, and realize the truth that there is nothing other than Brhman and the you, that thinks it is separate, is also Brhman and nothing else. This is Oneness, Advaita, non-duality. So it is knowledge and knowing and understanding. There is no experience, the transformation is internal, an adjustment to the way one lives her life and her attitude. This will make her free. This is Moksha, liberty. The result of such knowledge and living is freedom from the cycle of death and birth. There is no heaven, no hell other than what we create of our own lives.

I am not discounting the experience you had, and others have had, during meditation or any other time. Even the simple peace and joy when you meet your dog’s gaze, the wonder of seeing a bud blossom, all of these experiences are absolutely real. They are real and are only a reflection of Brhman because that is the nature of Brhman, pure knowledge and pure contentment.
So. It is knowledge not experience. Experiences come and go. But once you understand and know, you know.
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Old 03-10-2023, 02:14 PM
 
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Tell me this, CB. WHO or WHAT has to know and understand that since there is only Brhman???
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The YOU in you that is writing posts here as Mystic, or your real name you call yourself. That you that mistakenly thinks it, the you, is separate from Brhman, god, divinity. This mistaken identity is due to many reasons. To overcome it one needs to identify and understand the mistaken belief, remove it, and realize the truth that there is nothing other than Brhman and the you, that thinks it is separate, is also Brhman and nothing else. This is Oneness, Advaita, non-duality. So it is knowledge and knowing and understanding. There is no experience, the transformation is internal, an adjustment to the way one lives her life and her attitude. This will make her free. This is Moksha, liberty. The result of such knowledge and living is freedom from the cycle of death and birth. There is no heaven, no hell other than what we create of our own lives.

I am not discounting the experience you had, and others have had, during meditation or any other time. Even the simple peace and joy when you meet your dog’s gaze, the wonder of seeing a bud blossom, all of these experiences are absolutely real. They are real and are only a reflection of Brhman because that is the nature of Brhman, pure knowledge and pure contentment.
So. It is knowledge not experience. Experiences come and go. But once you understand and know, you know.
Absent my experiences I would know nothing about Brhman. I am still confused. How can there be almost 8 billion unique and individually DIFFERENT "you's" constantly changing that are actually Brhman knowing very different things if Brhman is unchanging and all-knowing? What ARE these "you's"?
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