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Technically no. But if you're in a Shepherding Movement church, you are taught that you need to be "accountable" and if this is the mechanism, it is either install it or leave. It's a condition of belonging to the group.
I don't know if this is literally the shepherding movement, which is now largely discredited, or some evolution of it. Derek Prince and others were behind the original idea. It was in essence the idea that a church elder or some appointed delegate was supposed to oversee and (dis)approve of increasingly detailed aspects of your personal life and even inner life. It starts with the seemingly innocent notion that (presumably voluntary) accountability helps people be their best selves for god ... it just becomes "full puppet master" after awhile.
A Southern Baptist Church would not have been involved in shepherding. The Shepherding Movement began as an honest attempt to disciple the many, many people who were coming into the church during the Jesus Movement. As things often do when people get involved, it went awry. It is no more, and Bob Mumford has publicly apologized to the Church for it.
A Southern Baptist Church would not have been involved in shepherding. The Shepherding Movement began as an honest attempt to disciple the many, many people who were coming into the church during the Jesus Movement. As things often do when people get involved, it went awry. It is no more, and Bob Mumford has publicly apologized to the Church for it.
Well it sure sounds like shepherding in general principle if not necessarily in name. It may be a bright idea of some pastor somewhere, who is not fully thinking things through. "Accountability partner" sure sounds like the same idea, whether independently arrived at or not.
That is truth. 1984 is all coming true. So he was a little off on the year, big deal. I can't believe this shameware thing, do they really think this is going to magically change a porn addict?
It is similar to apps Scientology encourages their members to install.
It's not spyware if they willingly allow for it. If you think that's bad, you should spend some time around the Amish and conservative Mennonites in central Illinois. When I worked in a factory there I couldn't even take my smart phone onto the premises.
I am VERY familiar with conservative Mennonites and Hutterites (Amish, except they live in colonies). See them all the time in Walmart, and depending on the colony, many have cell phones. Heck, the girls even browse the Harlequin romance books.
I am VERY familiar with conservative Mennonites and Hutterites (Amish, except they live in colonies). See them all the time in Walmart, and depending on the colony, many have cell phones. Heck, the girls even browse the Harlequin romance books.
Well BF did say, "Amish and CONSERATIVE Mennonites" and I think that is an accurate description of the things they want to avoid in terms of modern technology.
Although there's the official line and the practical one. Officially, Amish can't have telephones. Practically speaking though they can ask to use their "English" neighbor's telephone. Where I once lived near a western Michigan Amish community, the neighbor got so tired of this that he hung a telephone on the fencepost between his property and the Amish neighbor so they could use it whenever they wanted without bothering him.
Well BF did say, "Amish and CONSERATIVE Mennonites" and I think that is an accurate description of the things they want to avoid in terms of modern technology.
Although there's the official line and the practical one. Officially, Amish can't have telephones. Practically speaking though they can ask to use their "English" neighbor's telephone. Where I once lived near a western Michigan Amish community, the neighbor got so tired of this that he hung a telephone on the fencepost between his property and the Amish neighbor so they could use it whenever they wanted without bothering him.
Yeah, I know they are not to use electricity, but I have driven through the Amish areas in Indiana, and seen the solar panels on the barns. Not sure if they connect them to their houses or not. It was interesting to see them getting "around the rules".
Wow this is a new one to me. It looks like in theory people "voluntariliy" install this shameware, but if you're in one of these shepherding movement churches that has this panopticon approach to Christianity, you would fall under suspicion if you don't. You would either submit to surveillance or leave.
And I'd bet my wife and firstborn that if someone investigated, we'd find that some people are tricked into installing it with social engineering techniques, too. In those kinds of churches it's all about control and power. Tends to attract pervy types too. I know, my late / prior wife attended such a church for a time. She left when they started getting nosy about her sex life with her then-husband.
I have to laugh at spam I get every once in awhile with words to this effect:
"I'll be direct. I have compromised your computer and I know that you are addicted to porn. I have recorded all the sites you've been to and I will share this activity with your spouse and children if you do not send me $1,500 in bitcoin by 5pm tonight".
Only problem is I don't watch porn and often open these emails hours after the deadline, lol.
But I'm sure they terrorize people who actually DO watch porn. And so I can imagine "shameware" being quite effective as well.
One of the women posters on the New Jersey forum said she got a similar message. They said they were able to view and tape her through her camera pleasuring herself while watching porn and she had to pay to get the videos destroyed or they would be sent to her family. She was annoyed, but she laughed about it, too,
I guess they are hoping they will eventually hit a mark who DOES have reason to think they were watching.
I am VERY familiar with conservative Mennonites and Hutterites (Amish, except they live in colonies). See them all the time in Walmart, and depending on the colony, many have cell phones. Heck, the girls even browse the Harlequin romance books.
It varies by sect, and the individual. Some are more liberal than others, and allow some things that others don't. I saw some very devout Amish and Mennonites....others not so much, but they knew they grew up that way, so that's what they were.
I am VERY familiar with conservative Mennonites and Hutterites (Amish, except they live in colonies). See them all the time in Walmart, and depending on the colony, many have cell phones. Heck, the girls even browse the Harlequin romance books.
OMG!!!
Harlequin Romance Books!!!!
Shame...Shame....Shame
Oh Fabio... you devil you.
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