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Methinks you place too much importance on *the written word*.
There is more to God, religion, and history than what men have written down.
Yes, but the written word is all that men have to guide them. Otherwise, it'd be one person saying, "The Holy Spirit told me this is true..." while another one says, "That's not true because the Holy Spirit told me just the opposite."
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God sent His Son for 'all' of humanity --- not just an elite group.
In the Old Testament Yahweh consistently refers to the Israelites as "My people".
Yes, but the written word is all that men have to guide them. Otherwise, it'd be one person saying, "The Holy Spirit told me this is true..." while another one says, "That's not true because the Holy Spirit told me just the opposite."
This is not the Catholic view. We believe that Christ established a Church, endowed with Authority and protected by certain Divine promises.
Yes, but the written word is all that men have to guide them. Otherwise, it'd be one person saying, "The Holy Spirit told me this is true..." while another one says, "That's not true because the Holy Spirit told me just the opposite..
Thrill, if Jesus thought that, don't you think He would have written something Himself!!! We are not to rely on the words "written in ink" but on the Truth God has "written in our hearts" with agape love. Jesus abides with us as the Comforter to guide us to that Truth. That is how He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. We need to get into the states of mind associated with His Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness to be guided by Him!! Whatever states of mind you are in, they are NOT the ones He taught and unambiguously demonstrated on the Cross.
Philippians 2:5-30 King James Version
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
The Holy Spirit IS the True Nature of God revealed, described, and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus. He IS agape love, kindness, mercy, compassion, gentleness, unconditional acceptance, empathy, sympathy, tolerance, long-suffering, decency, friendliness, peacefulness, joyfulness, understanding, care, concern, solicitude, solicitousness, sensitivity, tender-heartedness, soft-heartedness, warm-heartedness, warmth, love, brotherly love, tenderness, gentleness, mercifulness, leniency, lenience, consideration, kindness, humanity, humaneness, kind-heartedness, charity, benevolence, and He is non-judgmental.
That's not true. Historians use things such as independent multiple attestation in the study of history. This is not confined to the study of Jesus.
True, that is one that is abused by Christian scholars, but others such as criteria of embarrassment?
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I don't know how you can make that claim and expect to be taken seriously. The writer of 2 Peter refers to Jesus as 'our God and Savior.' That's ''gospel Jesus.''
You read that on the internet and you believed them.
And in books, and actually reading Philo (and Eusebius, and Tacitus, and Suetonius). It is irrelevant where I read things, it is still a fact that we have no record of any 3 hour long darkness at noon, zombies being resurrected, usw.
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Have they found Philo, Justus of Tiberius or Pliny the Elder's bodies?
No, but we know they wrote things. We can actually read some of what they wrote.
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Wow, Israel really needs to give up their land huh ...
This is not the Catholic view. We believe that Christ established a Church, endowed with Authority and protected by certain Divine promises.
But it's the Protestant view. Christians and Catholics have always been at odds with each other yet they both proclaim Jesus as their savior. God does nothing to settle the issue. There is complete silence from the heavens. Isn't that enough to convince you you're praying to an empty sky--except for the occasional 747 that whizzes by?
Thrill, if Jesus thought that, don't you think He would have written something Himself!!! We are not to rely on the words "written in ink" but on the Truth God has "written in our hearts" with agape love. Jesus abides with us as the Comforter to guide us to that Truth. That is how He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. We need to get into the states of mind associated with His Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness to be guided by Him!! Whatever states of mind you are in, they are NOT the ones He taught and unambiguously demonstrated on the Cross.
Philippians 2:5-30 King James Version
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
The Holy Spirit IS the True Nature of God revealed, described, and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus. He IS agape love, kindness, mercy, compassion, gentleness, unconditional acceptance, empathy, sympathy, tolerance, long-suffering, decency, friendliness, peacefulness, joyfulness, understanding, care, concern, solicitude, solicitousness, sensitivity, tender-heartedness, soft-heartedness, warm-heartedness, warmth, love, brotherly love, tenderness, gentleness, mercifulness, leniency, lenience, consideration, kindness, humanity, humaneness, kind-heartedness, charity, benevolence, and He is non-judgmental.
Well then why bother having a Bible at all, Mystic if it serves no real purpose?
But it's the Protestant view. Christians and Catholics have always been at odds with each other yet they both proclaim Jesus as their savior.
"Always"? Protestantism has only just recently had its 500th birthday.
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God does nothing to settle the issue. There is complete silence from the heavens. Isn't that enough to convince you you're praying to an empty sky--except for the occasional 747 that whizzes by?
The issue is and has been settled. God is not silent, no matter how loudly you protest while plugging your ears (Acts 7:56).
Well then why bother having a Bible at all, Mystic if it serves no real purpose?
The purpose of the Bible is to support the work and teaching of the Church and to be read in the liturgy.
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