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Old 10-18-2022, 05:37 PM
 
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over the years I have seen many talking snakes that tried to appear as an Angel of light.

Hallucinations?

Christians, have you ever wondered why I am allowed to blaspheme God and Jesus over and over and over and over on this forum and still wake up every morning to come on and post some more blasphemous materials? Ask yourselves, "Why doesn't God stop him or take him out?" There's a very good reason: Jesus doesn't exist. A myth cannot lay a finger on me. My life just goes on and on as if Jesus, if he exists, simply couldn't care less what I say about him here. And if he doesn't exist again it would explain why I am still here. That should be answer enough for Christians wondering why I am still around.


Oh yes, I know--the inevitable threat, "You'll get yours on the day of judgement."


Not likely, I hate to break the news.

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Old 10-18-2022, 05:49 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Hallucinations?

Christians, have you ever wondered why I am allowed to blaspheme God and Jesus over and over and over and over on this forum and still wake up every morning to come on and post some more blasphemous materials? Ask yourselves, "Why doesn't God stop him or take him out?"
He's too busy laughing at you.
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Old 10-18-2022, 05:50 PM
 
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He's too busy laughing at you.

I"m laughing too.
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Old 10-18-2022, 05:56 PM
 
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He's too busy laughing at you.

And I'm glad you mention that, Mike because it calls to mind Psalm 2:


"The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
the Lord scoffs at them."


Or is it "him"?
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Old 10-18-2022, 06:06 PM
 
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Your entire argument is faulty for the simple reason that the apostles, which you claim didn't exist, and others, believed that they saw the risen Jesus, and historians who do Jesus studies recognize this. Now the fact that they believed they saw the risen Jesus doesn't necessarily mean that they actually did, but even critical scholars recognize that they saw something which they took to be the risen Jesus.

And the fact that they believed they saw the risen Jesus means that they didn't intentionally set out to create a mythical character patterned after other mythical characters.
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Old 10-18-2022, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Your entire argument is faulty for the simple reason that the apostles, which you claim didn't exist, and others, believed that they saw the risen Jesus, and historians who do Jesus studies recognize this. Now the fact that they believed they saw the risen Jesus doesn't necessarily mean that they actually did, but even critical scholars recognize that they saw something which they took to be the risen Jesus.

And the fact that they believed they saw the risen Jesus means that they didn't intentionally set out to create a mythical character patterned after other mythical characters.
So that's what all the critical scholars believe?
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Old 10-18-2022, 07:39 PM
 
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Your entire argument is faulty for the simple reason that the apostles, which you claim didn't exist, and others, believed that they saw the risen Jesus, and historians who do Jesus studies recognize this. Now the fact that they believed they saw the risen Jesus doesn't necessarily mean that they actually did, but even critical scholars recognize that they saw something which they took to be the risen Jesus.

And the fact that they believed they saw the risen Jesus means that they didn't intentionally set out to create a mythical character patterned after other mythical characters.

Hmmm...I recall you telling me this once before but it's too many posts back and I'm too lazy to look it up. Nevertheless, I'll respond to it this time: your phrase, "historians who do Jesus studies recognize this" because who are the historians you refer to, Christian historians? Naturally they recognize the apostles saw Jesus resurrected because they have skin in the game. But talk to some secular historians and they might say "The apostles were hallucinating." Now when people hallucinate they do see something. But it's all in their head. IF the apostles were real and IF they saw something, it definitely was NOT the risen Christ because we know from science that dead bodies don't reanimate especially after three days in a tomb. if they do walk out of the tomb it's because they weren't dead to begin with.



By the way were you aware of this tidbit: a historian, Justus of Tiberias, who was a native of Galilee, wrote a history that touched the period of Jesus' lifetime. The history is lost, and normally that would be the end of the story. But SURPRISE! Christian scholar Photius read it in the ninth century and expressed amazement that it contained "not the least mention of the appearance of the Christ".
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Old 10-18-2022, 08:22 PM
 
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By the way were you aware of this tidbit: a historian, Justus of Tiberias, who was a native of Galilee, wrote a history that touched the period of Jesus' lifetime. The history is lost, and normally that would be the end of the story. But SURPRISE! Christian scholar Photius read it in the ninth century and expressed amazement that it contained "not the least mention of the appearance of the Christ".

This would be in line with Philo of Alexandria who was in and out of Jerusalem in 27-30 CE when Jesus was working his miracles and causing earthquakes and causing zombie saints to rise out of their tombs and march on Jerusalem and Philo doesn't mention Jesus Christ once in his writings.
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Old 10-18-2022, 09:03 PM
 
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So that's what all the critical scholars believe?
I'm sure not 'ALL', but many do. Two who come to mind are E. P. Sanders and Paula Fredriksen. Neither believe in miracles but are convinced that the disciples believed they saw Jesus alive again after his crucifixion.


Here's a list of other scholars, some critical, some not, who are convinced that Jesus' earliest followers believed they saw the risen Jesus.

https://jamesbishopblog.com/2015/06/...s-by-scholars/

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Old 10-18-2022, 10:40 PM
 
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I'm sure not 'ALL', but many do. Two who come to mind are E. P. Sanders and Paula Fredriksen. Neither believe in miracles but are convinced that the disciples believed they saw Jesus alive again after his crucifixion.


Here's a list of other scholars, some critical, some not, who are convinced that Jesus' earliest followers believed they saw the risen Jesus.

https://jamesbishopblog.com/2015/06/...s-by-scholars/
But I don't care what they think they saw. I only care what they actually saw.
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