Jesus Christ of the Gospels Never Existed. He's a Myth and I Can Prove It (Part 1). (mercy, charity)

[Ellis Bell]

Originally Posted by Ellis Bell

First you'd have to find when and where the miracles were being preformed, then locate the nearest 'secular' historian. (no one began putting stories to papyrus until 30 - 60 years after Christ's death and resurrection)

Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes

Philo went to Jerusalem at that time, Justus of Tiberius lived there shortly after, and Pliny the Elder searched the Roman empire for stories about miracles.

You read that on the internet and you believed them. Have they found Philo, Justus of Tiberius or Pliny the Elder's bodies?

Originally Posted by Ellis Bell

I was reading a story on Yemen a few years back and in the article some locals told in their area there was no sign of the war. In fact they said, if they hadn't been made aware of it by people talking about it, they wouldn't know it was happening.

[Ellis Bell]

Originally Posted by Ellis Bell

Yep, no one wrote anything down about the event for 60 years afterwards. But before that it was talked about a lot; the word spread from Kingdom to Kingdom by commoners who were there the day of Christ.

Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes

How do you know these alleged events were talked about?

Wow, Israel really needs to give up their land huh ...

[thrillobyte]

I found this analysis of Christianity to be very telling:


"The tribal Middle Eastern values of the bible are much like what's found in the Taliban--a brutal, misogynistic, and male dominated organization which protects the hierarchy of power, fearing their members receiving too much education lest the power of blind faith they so heavily promote fails at keeping them subservient to Jesus. The church mixes in a lot of magic thinking like praying and spiritual warfare and discouraging battered spouses from pursuing a divorce proceeding so that "appearances" can be kept up at the cost of damaged lives. The hypocrisy is rampant but such hypocrisy doesn't discourage those in power from pursuing it. This whole fantasy and pretend gives the power over those that are ensnared in its clutches, and there's always threats of either God or the devil harming you in some way, but nothing ever happens to the abused who decide to escape or to the abusers who never fail to collect on their salaries or bask in the praises heaped upon them."

[thrillobyte]

Originally Posted by Ellis Bell

No offense taken thrill, because I didn't come to know God through a Book or a man made Church. btw: God was here before Hindu. God has led people to do all kinds of things, for be it for me to question what's going on.

Yes, but God saw fit to allow the Veda to be written first. Does God favor the Hindus at the expense of his own people?

[EscAlaMike]

Originally Posted by thrillobyte

Yes, but God saw fit to allow the Veda to be written first. Does God favor the Hindus at the expense of his own people?

Methinks you place too much importance on *the written word*.

There is more to God, religion, and history than what men have written down.

[Ellis Bell]

Originally Posted by Ellis Bell

No offense taken thrill, because I didn't come to know God through a Book or a man made Church. btw: God was here before Hindu. God has led people to do all kinds of things, for be it for me to question what's going on.

Originally Posted by thrillobyte

Yes, but God saw fit to allow the Veda to be written first. Does God favor the Hindus at the expense of his own people?

God sent His Son for 'all' of humanity --- not just an elite group.

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by Ellis Bell

They believed the law of the land --- by your comment I'm guessing you have never looked into prehistoric and ancient histories or the culture. While I'm not verse on the subject, I've got a pretty good idea of what their lives were like --- there are some countries today, I don't believe change has happened for 'em.

I'd say you're the one with the myopic view.

You like to believe the stories told by christians back in ancient times as they sat around a campfire.

Gee, maybe they were wrong and it was the Buddhists sitting around a campfire and telling ancient stories that were right.

Or maybe it was the ancient Greeks sitting around a campfire telling ancient stories that were right.

Or Romans.

Or Aztec Indians.

Or the Shoshones.

Or the Hindus.

Or dozens of other cultural groups.

[Ellis Bell]

Originally Posted by Ellis Bell

They believed the law of the land --- by your comment I'm guessing you have never looked into prehistoric and ancient histories or the culture. While I'm not verse on the subject, I've got a pretty good idea of what their lives were like --- there are some countries today, I don't believe change has happened for 'em.

Originally Posted by phetaroi

I'd say you're the one with the myopic view.

You like to believe the stories told by christians back in ancient times as they sat around a campfire.

Gee, maybe they were wrong and it was the Buddhists sitting around a campfire and telling ancient stories that were right.

Or maybe it was the ancient Greeks sitting around a campfire telling ancient stories that were right.

Or Romans.

Or Aztec Indians.

Or the Shoshones.

Or the Hindus.

Or dozens of other cultural groups.

All migrating out of Africa.

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by Ellis Bell

All migrating out of Africa.

What has that got to do with the discussion?

Oh I know...it's called grasping at straws.

[Derek41]

Originally Posted by Ellis Bell

God sent His Son for 'all' of humanity --- not just an elite group.

Well some Christian groups, notably Calvinists, would disagree on that one too.