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Old 10-16-2022, 01:19 PM
 
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Apparently god didn't understand that enslaving another human being was immoral.
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the Bible was written by men who thought it was perfectly fine.
Wrong.
If they did...they wouldn't have a story about the Deity bringing plagues and closing the sea up upon people that did such a thing.
With the slaves getting away...fully avenged.

 
Old 10-16-2022, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Wrong.
If they did...they wouldn't have a story about the Deity bringing plagues and closing the sea up upon people that did such a thing.
With the slaves getting away...fully avenged.
Would have been a lot better if said "Deity" hadn't "hardened Pharoah's heart" and just encouraged him to change his mind instead.

And I'll still never understand why he killed all the firstborn livestock twice. What did they ever do to deserve two plagues.
 
Old 10-16-2022, 02:19 PM
 
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Would have been a lot better if said "Deity" hadn't "hardened Pharoah's heart" and just encouraged him to change his mind instead.

And I'll still never understand why he killed all the firstborn livestock twice. What did they ever do to deserve two plagues.
As I understand it, the act was done to discontinue certain bloodlines and to prevent the birth of prophesized renowned individuals.


Why did King Herod kill babies?

Because he was afraid one of them was the foretold King of the Jews, and he thought that this king would take over his role as king and depose King Herod.
https://www.answers.com/religious-st...od_kill_babies

Life = Cause + Effect
 
Old 10-16-2022, 03:37 PM
 
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Would have been a lot better if said "Deity" hadn't "hardened Pharoah's heart" and just encouraged him to change his mind instead.

And I'll still never understand why he killed all the firstborn livestock twice. What did they ever do to deserve two plagues.
Ask.
Being a Omnimax God that knows everything and can do anything (Creator of the Universe and all)...we might not understand with our lower thoughts & ways.
 
Old 10-16-2022, 05:23 PM
 
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Among white Americans, there is high (two-thirds) overlap between beliefs in Christian nationalism and replacement theory. And both views are associated with higher support for political violence among whites:

* White Americans who agree that “God intended America to be a promised land for European Christians” are four times as likely as those who disagree with that statement to believe that “true American patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save our country” (43% vs. 10%).

* White Americans who believe that “Immigrants are invading our country and replacing our cultural and ethnic background” are nearly six times as likely as those who disagree with that statement to believe that “true American patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save our country” (45% vs. 8%).

While only 29% of Americans agree, for example, that “Immigrants are invading our country and replacing our cultural and ethnic background,” that number rises to dangerous levels among a range of groups comprising the conservative base in U.S. politics: 67% among those who say they most trust Fox News; 65% among QAnon believers; 60% among Republicans; 50% among white evangelical Protestants, and 43% among white American without a college degree.https://time.com/6179886/christianit...emacy-buffalo/
I am sure that there are White Christians that look up to to the bygone era where the country was much less diverse, much less political correctness, and neighborhoods where they grew up were all white. Yet mourn today with the increase diversity of society, and an increasingly less white and secular America. Sadly, there are certain people that will resort to violence to fight against this. It is a mess and sadly you can't be truly having a Chrisitan life and be racist at the same time.

The whites from Europe were immigrants--They murdered the inhabitants of this land to steal it. Why? Because they did not know Jesus as they claimed--99% of all religions claiming to be christian are in the same boat today, it has not changed.
 
Old 10-17-2022, 02:21 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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As an African American man who experienced religious childhood indoctrination, I can tell you a few things:

1. Blacks will always be around 80% Christian
2. You will never get rid of or drastically decrease Christianity in America
3. You can never sperate religion and it ties with nationalism, white supremacy, traditionalism, or conservatism.
4. Hispanics will always be around 80% Christian

The left will have to accept that they will never be able to rid their political ideology of Christianity without alienating their own constituents (blacks and Hispanics).

You would have better luck approving reparations, before getting people to give up their religion.
 
Old 10-17-2022, 09:31 AM
 
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Ask.
Being a Omnimax God that knows everything and can do anything (Creator of the Universe and all)...we might not understand with our lower thoughts & ways.
Or, as one who loves to point out there is more than one way to look at all things, I am sure you can appreciate the possibility, if not likelihood, that some of us understand with even our lower thoughts and ways. Better than you are able to realize or willing to admit or accept. I understand your comment, here for example, is yet another way to whitewash everything we read in the Bible with excuses and ignorance and acceptance for anything there is to judge along these lines. A very long line of excuses, ignorance and acceptance as if everyone need share the same indulgence in whatever you choose to believe. In whatever anyone chooses to believe.

Again there is right or wrong, good or bad, better or worse, true or false, and although people will always have different views and understanding about one or the other, we are all nevertheless called upon to judge. May the higher thoughts and ways win out over the lower ones.
 
Old 10-17-2022, 09:43 AM
 
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As an African American man who experienced religious childhood indoctrination, I can tell you a few things:

1. Blacks will always be around 80% Christian
2. You will never get rid of or drastically decrease Christianity in America
3. You can never sperate religion and it ties with nationalism, white supremacy, traditionalism, or conservatism.
4. Hispanics will always be around 80% Christian

The left will have to accept that they will never be able to rid their political ideology of Christianity without alienating their own constituents (blacks and Hispanics).

You would have better luck approving reparations, before getting people to give up their religion.
Mostly true, since religious childhood indoctrination is a very powerful force and influence, but the data tells us "if recent trends in religious switching continue, Christians could make up less than half of the U.S. population within a few decades"

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion...on-in-america/

I'm not sure these numbers will "always" be the same or that Blacks won't become less religious for the same reasons the population at large is becoming less religious, but either way religion will be a strong political factor for as long as I'm around to witness all the various reasons people vote the way they do. Or don't vote. Also interesting is your tie between religion and nationalism, white supremacy, traditionalism and conservatism. Still more judgement about the Bible and/or religion not commonly shared, but shared enough to realize where some of the negatives or problems or "bad" tends to exist one way or another.

You don't get people to give up their religion. These sorts of changes occur from one generation to the next depending on whether the indoctrination holds despite all the other influences that can sometimes offset indoctrination not well supported by the facts or truth.

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Old 10-17-2022, 10:34 AM
 
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It's time to quit lumping Christianity with white supremacy and violence, as Jesus would never tolerate either.

You don't use the bogus to define the genuine. That would mean renegade police officers define what is law and order. That would mean bogus politicians who rule only for themselves and a narrow constituency define what a political representative should be.

We see the tactics here, and it's not Christianity that's losing...
 
Old 10-17-2022, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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It's time to quit lumping Christianity with white supremacy and violence, as Jesus would never tolerate either.

You don't use the bogus to define the genuine. That would mean renegade police officers define what is law and order. That would mean bogus politicians who rule only for themselves and a narrow constituency define what a political representative should be.

We see the tactics here, and it's not Christianity that's losing...
It doesn't matter what Jesus would do. What matters is what's being done.
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