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Does anti-semitism begin only after or did it exist prior to Christianity?
“Hostility against Jews may date back nearly as far as Jewish history. In the ancient empires of Babylonia, Greece, and Rome, Jews—who originated in the ancient kingdom of Judea—were often criticized and persecuted for their efforts to remain a separate cultural group rather than taking on the religious and social customs of their conquerors.”
This post kind of reminds me of the old "well, everybody else had slaves, so it's ok that we had them."
How many verses in the gospels are there where Jesus preaches and teaches against this vindictive behavior.
Sadly, even in those days, my old buddy Bubba Burchmeister's adage seems to ring true. "Most Christians wouldn't know Jesus even if he came up and bit 'em in the a$$". He'd tell you that while he was changin' somebodies oil.
This post kind of reminds me of the old "well, everybody else had slaves, so it's ok that we had them."
How many verses in the gospels are there where Jesus preaches and teaches against this vindictive behavior.
Sadly, even in those days, my old buddy Bubba Burchmeister's adage seems to ring true. "Most Christians wouldn't know Jesus even if he came up and bit 'em in the a$$". He'd tell you that while he was changin' somebodies oil.
Well, it is a pity if that is the message that you drew from my post, because that was not said or indicated. Of course one often project one’s own meaning to words, cannot be helped.
Slavery is never justified. Persecution of people is never justified. Studying history can definitely be a means for such justification if that is the intent. It can also be just to expand knowledge, a benign thing.
There seem to be competing ideas being discussed. One is that religion, such as Christianity, is responsible for teaching hate, which in this case Christianity brought hate upon the Jewish people. The other is that religion doesn't teach things like that. It is people who do people things like hate or teach hate.
But I don't think the two have to compete. Instead, I would look for a relationship which would be that people use religion as a vehicle to influence others.
It seems to me that this is another instance where religious people (at least christians) want to sort of have it both ways. Christianity teaches love. But christianity doesn't teach hate. That would be okay...until you read the Old Testament; whole lotta hatin' goin' on there. And then to see where a lot of christians, some denominations more than others, seem to be full of hateful behavior. And even if those people are not learning hate from their version of christianity, there version of christianity sure isn't counterbalancing the hate they're getting from some place.
It seems to me that this is another instance where religious people (at least christians) want to sort of have it both ways. Christianity teaches love. But christianity doesn't teach hate. That would be okay...until you read the Old Testament; whole lotta hatin' goin' on there. And then to see where a lot of christians, some denominations more than others, seem to be full of hateful behavior. And even if those people are not learning hate from their version of christianity, there version of christianity sure isn't counterbalancing the hate they're getting from some place.
Yes. There was one thing my family did not allow and that was to hate others. It didn't matter what was being taught in the church or what "facts" were being shared. For example, the idea that the Jewish people were responsible for Jesus's death was not a reason to dislike them. It also wasn't acceptable to dislike a whole group of people. That was one area where my family was not like others. I am proud of that.
That's what I thought. But the OP in his research failed to consult Jewish sources. The OP's topic wasn't whether or not Jesus was anyone special; it was whether Jesus ever existed at all. What are the Jewish sources for a historical Jesus?
Ruth, did you know there are no secular historical sources for Jesus at all?
"The Truth Is… There Is No Evidence For Jesus Christ Outside the Bible"
Yes. There was one thing my family did not allow and that was to hate others. It didn't matter what was being taught in the church or what "facts" were being shared. For example, the idea that the Jewish people were responsible for Jesus's death was not a reason to dislike them. It also wasn't acceptable to dislike a whole group of people. That was one area where my family was not like others. I am proud of that.
As you should be, although there are some groups of people who are hard not to hate...
White supremacists for example. Nazis. People who purposely cut in front of you in line. What we do with these feelings, justified or not, is perhaps the more important thing.
As you should be, although there are some groups of people who are hard not to hate...
White supremacists for example. Nazis. People who purposely cut in front of you in line. What we do with these feelings, justified or not, is perhaps the more important thing.
I don't know yet, that it's true. I'm still trying to get clarification from our Jewish posters, as to their basis for the historicity of Jesus. Did you look into any Jewish sources?
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