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OP, the source you posted doesn't address your topic. It addresses the lack of evidence of Jesus' divinity only.
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There were many well known Greek and Roman authors at the time Jesus did his miracles. Yet no where is there any reference to his divinity or these miracles in any writings of the era.
That is not the topic you raise in your OP. Your source is irrelevant to your topic.
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someone in here challenged me to research Jesus and see if I could find any historical evidence for him outside the Bible. So I spent about 6 months researching Jesus and found that indeed there was no historical evidence for Jesus.
So it seems you conducted your search in a rabbit hole, then drew your conclusion, citing your rabbit hole as your authority. You're going to have to do a lot better than that.
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Any real God wouldn't care if you believed in him or not. Same goes for Jesus if he's a decent guy.
If somebody created this whole universe (with billions of GALAXIES), and for some reason loves you, then he's not going to care if you accept his existence on faith which he has given you no evidence for.
I'm no longer a militant atheist or one that really cares that much what anybody else thinks personally, if it brings them the comfort they need.
An actual God would love everybody, no matter what their beliefs are. He would also not care what their actions are, since events are determined by prior events and/or quantum randomness. 'Free will' is a magical concept that does not exist. Essentially, so is the self. God already knows what you're going to do and is not worried about any of it. And/or, God is all in people's heads. Either way, essentially it doesn't matter.
The 'God' that is sitting there judging the poor human animals on what they do and think (which comes from their genetics/environment/etc), is a sadist, cruel, awful god that would be the opposite of someone to worship.
An actual God would love everybody, no matter what their beliefs are. He would also not care what their actions are, since events are determined by prior events and/or quantum randomness. 'Free will' is a magical concept that does not exist.
Just curious, is this how you feel about your children's choices and actions?
How about your spouse's? Your boss's? The government's?
Just curious, is this how you feel about your children's choices and actions?
How about your spouse's? Your boss's? The government's?
Are all their choices and actions fine by you or at least excusable since all events are determined by prior events and/or quantum randomness, therefore, they do not have free will?
i was wondering about that too. sounds like an utter abdication of any and all personal responsibility for anything
Just curious, is this how you feel about your children's choices and actions?
How about your spouse's? Your boss's? The government's?
Our consciousness is a brain process, and everything in the universe, including our brains, is made up of particles. Everything that occurs is either a result of a deterministic chain of events since the start of time, or because of non-deterministic quantum randomness, or maybe some combo of those, but, that's all there is. The idea of 'free will' is as magical a made-up concept as any of the other religion stuff.
Our consciousness is a brain process, and everything in the universe, including our brains, is made up of particles. Everything that occurs is either a result of a deterministic chain of events since the start of time, or because of non-deterministic quantum randomness, or maybe some combo of those, but, that's all there is. The idea of 'free will' is as magical a made-up concept as any of the other religion stuff.
That's not what I asked.
Are you fine with whatever your kid, your spouse, the boss, the government does since according to you, they don't have free will?
Should we no longer have prisons? Criminals had no choice but to do what they did.
Do you not correct your child when she does something "bad"? She doesn't have free will. She had to do what she did.
i was wondering about that too. sounds like an utter abdication of any and all personal responsibility for anything
Free will does not exist and is an illusion, but that doesn't undermine our social morality or responsibility or the importance of freedom, etc. It's just a kinder, more accurate look at the world, that acknowledges that we don't all have full responsibility for any harm or good we cause in the world. Our consciousness is along for the ride. We can't magically be any better people than we are able to be.
Should we no longer have prisons? Criminals had no choice but to do what they did.
Yes we should have prisons. The point of imprisoning someone is to protect everybody else.
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Do you not correct your child when she does something "bad"? She doesn't have free will. She had to do what she did.
Of course you correct them, and raise your child right. All that stuff. You just do so with the knowledge that there's no such thing as 'free will'. Doesn't mean that you don't raise your damn child...
Free will does not exist and is an illusion, but that doesn't undermine our social morality or responsibility or the importance of freedom, etc. It's just a kinder, more accurate look at the world, that acknowledges that we don't all have full responsibility for any harm or good we cause in the world. Our consciousness is along for the ride. We can't magically be any better people than we are able to be.
that is your belief, opinion, view.
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