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I'll just stick with my bolded sentence from my previous post.
I wrote that from a reaching up position. Like a child. Which was the position I was in when I shared that story about being very down and being lifted up from that. And I don't want to fill you in on just how far down I was.
Are you in recovery? I get that healed vibe from you. I got a hell of a story about that.
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Some of the things you mentioned have very logical explanations. I'm not saying just because there are logical explanations that it disproves anything but for people like me our mind will default to the logical one.
Agreed. For what it’s worth, I don’t begrudge people who give a religious and spiritual spin to such personal life events, and I can even admire them to the extent that these events prompt them to make changes for the better. To them I say (and only of asked), “I personally don’t believe in those kinds of greater forces, but I respect that you do and I wish you nothing but the best.”
Of course, all bets are off if they haughtily proclaim their interpretation is the objective truth and all non-believers are misguided fools (or worse). That sort of nonsense I cannot indulge.
it seems you are separating yourself from them as you being the strong person. While it looks to me like you have built a wall around yourself].
Chief Scum (I was really hoping you would change your moniker) I think LearnMe's response to this post was very good as far as what is really happening here.
You believe that "god" saved you from yourself. I get that but aren't you missing something? YOU pulled yourself up, YOU did the work and YOU deserve the credit. I don't think you have found the answer to your woes through religion. I think you have gone deeper down the rabbit hole and religion has made you more down on yourself and unhappy.
I've read a lot of your posts and I see a broken person. Not a happy and content Christian, but a person who thinks he's scum. I asked you to please change your screenname in another thread because it hurts me, as well as others, that you think you aren't deserving of anything, much less happiness.
That's the thing, You have it backwards as far as who has walls. Agnostics and Atheists don't have the burden of someone else's religious teachings or beliefs and trying to live up to impossible demands of people. I can't speak for other atheists, but my walls are gone. The walls were 10 ft. high when I was a Christian. It is the religious and their rigidness that separates them from others. Live and let live, as we say here a lot.
You seem to be projecting to LearnMe and others, because if you say the above part of your post and word it like you are speaking to yourself, there is your answer. We're all supposed to be either happy or content and you are no exception. Life is horrible for some, we are fortunate to be able to have these conversations and speak freely. Not sure where you live but try to see the good in the small things and don't worry so much about what's going to happen to you after you die.
It's pretty common in recovery circles to hear of those kinds of experiences. By the time someone is motivated to change their efficacy is non existent. Efficacy predicts a positive outcome. I borrowed from the Jesus narrative myself.
I'll just stick with my bolded sentence from my previous post.
I wrote that from a reaching up position. Like a child. Which was the position I was in when I shared that story about being very down and being lifted up from that. And I don't want to fill you in on just how far down I was.
I've been very far down before too, where it seems no light can reach, and I'll just stick to my prior comment and explanation I offered to you as well. For you to consider from any angle you like, but at least you might better understand mine. Those sorts of emotions don't really factor into my effort to understand what is going on around us, happening to us. That's all...
The point was that if it has nothing to do with R&S, then it CAN be off-topic.
Yes, and for all the times comments can be off-topic in the R&S forum, I started this thread. Per my OP. I guess I'll stop scratching and just never mind...
Chief Scum (I was really hoping you would change your moniker) I think LearnMe's response to this post was very good as far as what is really happening here.
You believe that "god" saved you from yourself. I get that but aren't you missing something? YOU pulled yourself up, YOU did the work and YOU deserve the credit. I don't think you have found the answer to your woes through religion. I think you have gone deeper down the rabbit hole and religion has made you more down on yourself and unhappy.
I've read a lot of your posts and I see a broken person. Not a happy and content Christian, but a person who thinks he's scum. I asked you to please change your screenname in another thread because it hurts me, as well as others, that you think you aren't deserving of anything, much less happiness.
That's the thing, You have it backwards as far as who has walls. Agnostics and Atheists don't have the burden of someone else's religious teachings or beliefs and trying to live up to impossible demands of people. I can't speak for other atheists, but my walls are gone. The walls were 10 ft. high when I was a Christian. It is the religious and their rigidness that separates them from others. Live and let live, as we say here a lot.
You seem to be projecting to LearnMe and others, because if you say the above part of your post and word it like you are speaking to yourself, there is your answer. We're all supposed to be either happy or content and you are no exception. Life is horrible for some, we are fortunate to be able to have these conversations and speak freely. Not sure where you live but try to see the good in the small things and don't worry so much about what's going to happen to you after you die.
I have been feeling the same about Chief Scum's situation...but I couldn't have stated it as well as you did.
Although no longer a believer, I think a very good piece of advice for christians is the old cliche: god helps those who help themselves.
Agreed. For what it’s worth, I don’t begrudge people who give a religious and spiritual spin to such personal life events, and I can even admire them to the extent that these events prompt them to make changes for the better. To them I say (and only of asked), “I personally don’t believe in those kinds of greater forces, but I respect that you do and I wish you nothing but the best.”
Of course, all bets are off if they haughtily proclaim their interpretation is the objective truth and all non-believers are misguided fools (or worse). That sort of nonsense I cannot indulge.
Same here as I have always made a point of noting it serves little purpose to shake someone's faith, even it were possible...
If the issue is what helps people get through the day, life, then "whatever works" as they say. If the issue is one having to do with figuring out what is fact and what is not, fiction vs non-fiction, truth vs otherwise, then emotions and what suits our wants and needs should really not factor into our thinking.
Same here as I have always made a point of noting it serves little purpose to shake someone's faith, even it were possible...If the issue is what helps people get through the day, life, then "whatever works" as they say. If the issue is one having to do with figuring out what is fact and what is not, fiction vs non-fiction, truth vs otherwise, then emotions and what suits our wants and needs should really not factor into our thinking. Two very different things far as I'm concerned...
the opinion expressed in post above, falls in the category described in post above. The view expressed in post above reflects the "emotions and what suits their wants and needs" and "is what helps them get through the day." The view expressed in post above is an example of what is being described in the post itself.
the opinion expressed in post above, falls in the category described in post above. The view expressed in post above reflects the "emotions and what suits their wants and needs" and "is what helps them get through the day." The view expressed in post above is an example of what is being described in the post itself.
View expressed above reads a little repetitive and yes of course Tzap. Whatever you say. You know how we always agree about everything...
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