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Scientific advances have not made a dent in the religious life of humanity. People generally don't want to be reduce by the objectivity of science to the existential level of a piece of rock.
What people want or don't want is not necessarily what they get of course. To my mind, it's impossible to ignore the implications of scientific endeavor and discoveries. How do people (generally) shield themselves from the realization that we're not terribly important? Just ignore it under the guise of faith? Or refute the science?
What people want or don't want is not necessarily what they get of course. To my mind, it's impossible to ignore the implications of scientific endeavor and discoveries. How do people (generally) shield themselves from the realization that we're not terribly important? Just ignore it under the guise of faith? Or refute the science?
I've known people who always want to "put down" science. But when they get ill they run to the doctor or to the ER for the latest medicines or the latest treatments...all thanks to science.
What people want or don't want is not necessarily what they get of course. To my mind, it's impossible to ignore the implications of scientific endeavor and discoveries. How do people (generally) shield themselves from the realization that we're not terribly important? Just ignore it under the guise of faith? Or refute the science?
I can ignore the implications of scientific theories and discoveries except those that produce technological tools that make our lives better. Better is debatable, of course.
Why do you say that we are not important? I used to have your point of view informed by science that says we are human organisms much like bugs inhabiting a planet within a vast cosmos. As bugs go, we are pretty obnoxious and wrecking the planet. Earth is better off without us.
Now, my point of view is different. It is informed by spirituality that says I am everything in and of the world, the center of my existential reality encompassing the known universe.
You don't agree? Let's debate: science vs spirituality.
Scientific advances have not made a dent in the religious life of humanity. People generally don't want to be reduce by the objectivity of science to the existential level of a piece of rock.
Of course it has. There's a reason that in general, education negatively correlates with religious belief.
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Originally Posted by myuen2
Secularists would insist that humanism is imbued with ethics too. They are a new generation of people that are drifting to the dark side.
What's the most secular region of the United States? The Northeast. What region of the United States has the lowest violent crime rate? The Northeast.
What's the most secular part of Europe? Scandinavia. What region of Europe has the lowest violent crime rate? Scandinavia.
You're so caught up in proffering dogma that presents things the way you want things to be, that it never occurs to you to look at the real world and see if it actually functions the way your dogma claims. [spoiler: it doesn't]
Of course it has. There's a reason that in general, education negatively correlates with religious belief.
What's the most secular region of the United States? The Northeast. What region of the United States has the lowest violent crime rate? The Northeast.
What's the most secular part of Europe? Scandinavia. What region of Europe has the lowest violent crime rate? Scandinavia.
You're so caught up in proffering dogma that presents things the way you want things to be, that it never occurs to you to look at the real world and see if it actually functions the way your dogma claims. [spoiler: it doesn't]
I've known people who always want to "put down" science. But when they get ill they run to the doctor or to the ER for the latest medicines or the latest treatments...all thanks to science.
It is interesting that even that is beginning to crack with the COVID vaccines and such.
But yes, for the most part the only science they don't want to believe is climate science and things having to do with pollution... or evolution/origin type stuff.
What they don't seem to realize (or deny) is that all science is advanced via the same rigorous testing methods with its own healthy skepticism included.
I've known people who always want to "put down" science. But when they get ill they run to the doctor or to the ER for the latest medicines or the latest treatments...all thanks to science.
It is interesting that even that is beginning to crack with the COVID vaccines and such.
But yes, for the most part the only science they don't want to believe is climate science and things having to do with pollution... or evolution/origin type stuff.
What they don't seem to realize (or deny) is that all science is advanced via the same rigorous testing methods with its own healthy skepticism included.
It is interesting that even that is beginning to crack with the COVID vaccines and such.
But yes, for the most part the only science they don't want to believe is climate science and things having to do with pollution... or evolution/origin type stuff.
What they don't seem to realize (or deny) is that all science is advanced via the same rigorous testing methods with its own healthy skepticism included.
There is human corruption and competing agendas within science contrary to the ideals expressed here about its rigor!!
Of course it has. There's a reason that in general, education negatively correlates with religious belief.
The Catholic Church's commitment to education has always been strong. From the Middle-Ages, the Church took responsibility for teaching children and still do in many countries throughout the world.
Other Christian denominations have spearheaded educational efforts in America. Below is an excerpt:
Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Dartmouth – all owe their origins to the gospel.
Probably no segment of American society has turned out a greater number of illustrious graduates than New England’s Ivy League. Labels like Harvard, Yale, Princeton, still carry their own mystique and a certain aura of elitism and prestige.
Yet perhaps it would surprise most to learn that almost every Ivy League school was established primarily to train ministers of the gospel – and to evangelize the Atlantic seaboard. (The Forerunner.)
There is human corruption and competing agendas within science contrary to the ideals expressed here about its rigor!!
There is human corruption and competing agendas within the religious world.
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