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'change their mind', no, probably not. have a better understanding of an opposing POV, perhaps
Oh for sure. I think once people stop talking to people from other walks of life, you're playing a dangerous game, creating echo chambers, listening to your own words confirm your pre-existing beliefs, as if by magic.
I will never not consider the possibility of a creator/creators, but until evidence presents itself confirming such a being, I can't fill that evidential hole in me with what others call "faith". I don't claim to be certain about anything.
Oh for sure. I think once people stop talking to people from other walks of life, you're playing a dangerous game, creating echo chambers, listening to your own words confirm your pre-existing beliefs, as if by magic.
I will never not consider the possibility of a creator/creators, but until evidence presents itself confirming such a being, I can't fill that evidential hole in me with what others call "faith". I don't claim to be certain about anything.
As we do not know the percentage of atheists or agnostics through historical times, how do you know? It is no good whining about science just because for over 2000 years, it has always been naturalism that explains things, never a god.
Naturalism is defined as the philosophical belief that everything arises from natural properties and causes.
Correct, science is not always as rigorous as it should be. But it is far more rigorous than many theists imply, who need to attack science while ignoring their beliefs usually lack rigor.
Theism is one thing while a theist is another. Do not conflate the two. Be rigorous in your argumentation.
The reason why science is not rigorous is because science in an idea, a definition of a method of study of the natural world. A scientist, on the other hand, is anyone who engages in that study. Whatever the idiot finds, in the manner he found it, is his conclusion. If every other idiot in the world accepts his discovery, then it is settled science.
The same analysis is applicable to theism vis a vis the theist. Don't invalidate theism based on your encounters with idiots whom you identify as theists.
I don't think I am an idiot. I study the natural world from the approach of theism. If you can prove that I am an idiot based on the conclusions I make, I would consider that beneficial to my inquiry into the mystery of the natural world.
Theism is one thing while a theist is another. Do not conflate the two. Be rigorous in your argumentation.
The reason why science is not rigorous is because science in an idea, a definition of a method of study of the natural world. A scientist, on the other hand, is anyone who engages in that study. Whatever the idiot finds, in the manner he found it, is his conclusion. If every other idiot in the world accepts his discovery, then it is settled science.
The same analysis is applicable to theism vis a vis the theist. Don't invalidate theism based on your encounters with idiots whom you identify as theists.
I don't think I am an idiot. I study the natural world from the approach of theism. If you can prove that I am an idiot based on the conclusions I make, I would consider that beneficial to my inquiry into the mystery of the natural world.
So scientists are idiots? Do you even think about what you write?
Why is it that religionists hate it when we ask for proof of god, the resurrection, etc., but then ask us to prove things. Have they no principles?
It means that I don't accept Harry's contention that "it is no good whining about science just because for over 2000 years, it has always been naturalism that explains things...".
Can you tell me what explanation has naturalism given for why things fall? Don't tell me to jump of a balcony to prove Newton's explanation that it is due to the attraction of my body by planet Earth. I find that laughable.
Naturalism vs theism. This is a great debate. Bring out the atheists.
Naturalism is defined as the philosophical belief that everything arises from natural properties and causes.
Can you explain why things fall?
Gravity.
Can you explain an alternative for why things fall? Not simply assert an intelligent god created everything behind the scene, explain how a god did this?
Theism is one thing while a theist is another. Do not conflate the two. Be rigorous in your argumentation.
Practice what you preach. A rigorous argument would not introduce theism as if it was part of my answer. Attacking an argument I did not make is a straw man.
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The reason why science is not rigorous is because science in an idea, a definition of a method of study of the natural world. A scientist, on the other hand, is anyone who engages in that study. Whatever the idiot finds, in the manner he found it, is his conclusion. If every other idiot in the world accepts his discovery, then it is settled science.
Wrong, the reason why science is not rigorous as it should be is because of egos. Science itself is rigorous.
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The same analysis is applicable to theism vis a vis the theist. Don't invalidate theism based on your encounters with idiots whom you identify as theists.
I invalidate theism because I have yet to see a good argument for their position, and all their arguments against naturalism are actually problems for their beliefs.
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I don't think I am an idiot. I study the natural world from the approach of theism. If you can prove that I am an idiot based on the conclusions I make, I would consider that beneficial to my inquiry into the mystery of the natural world.
Irrelevant, I do not consider you an idiot. I find many of your posts a nice change from some of the posts by other theists, both intellectually and you are respectful.
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