Why an Atheist in the R&S Forum?

[Michael Way]

Originally Posted by myuen2

Take the natural phenomenon of falling snow I saw this morning, and the weight of the box of beer I felt as I carried it from my car. It's a natural mystery to me. I don't accept the naturalist's belief that the snow and the beer were attracted by the Earth.

Can you prove it? Give me your best shot. I am a Civil/Structural engineer by trade. I can handle the technical argument and the math.

Can it be proven that objects are attracted by the earth, you ask? Sure. It is well known that earth's gravity is stronger in some places than at others. In places where earth's mass is greater (a greater density of rock) there is a greater amount of gravity, not much, but it is measurable. Also, altitude affects gravity. The higher the altitude the weaker the gravity. This is why an object weighs less at altitude than when on the ground. This is also why time passes at a faster rate the further away from the ground you are and more slowly the closer to the ground you are. Differences in gravity have a measurable effect on the rate at which time passes and this has been proven in experiments using two atomic clocks, one on the ground and the other at altitude.

So, yes, the earth's gravity attracts objects. When you drop something it doesn't fall up, it falls down towards the ground.

If you choose not to accept that well proven fact, that's your choice, but

[LearnMe]

Originally Posted by myuen2

Why don't you make discussions here interesting then? Imagine you having a dinner conversation with mordant and me here. I am Jesus. I will bring the wine. What do you say?

Red or white?

[Harry Diogenes]

Originally Posted by myuen2

Harry wasn't insisting on anything. I don't think he knows how to cook proper.

My family owns two Greek restaurants, the original is where I learnt to cook from my Father and Grandfather.

Originally Posted by myuen2

Butter has a low smoke point and would risk burning before the corn pops.

When one knows how to cook, the taste is worth it. But you are correct, you do have to be careful.

[Harry Diogenes]

Originally Posted by myuen2

Machines are designed with the intellect, the tool of naturalism. It is also used for designing the universe, the existential world of naturalists.

And your evidence for this is ...?

[LearnMe]

Originally Posted by myuen2

Your observation is well taken.

The magazine was shoved into my face as the purveyor of the gospel truth. I was just shoving it back.

Hard to have the sort of discussion you were advocating by shoving crap along rather than something a bit more worthy of consideration. Just saying...

Again, you are new here, and again welcome! I'm all for promoting the better discussions, and since you are new (speaking of gospel truth), I will direct you to a thread I started some time ago that made for more of the discussion I think you might enjoy. Fairly well known by the regulars here. I called it my Ten Truths. Check it out and feel free to post your thoughts there if you like!

[LearnMe]

Originally Posted by ElijahAstin

It was a joke.

As for smoke points, clarified butter (i.e., ghee) would work just fine.

I'm just back from the EU, and no doubt they love their butter there. Beer, wine, flemish stew, fish and chips all very popular there too...

[LearnMe]

Originally Posted by Michael Way

Can it be proven that objects are attracted by the earth, you ask? Sure. It is well known that earth's gravity is stronger in some places than at others. In places where earth's mass is greater (a greater density of rock) there is a greater amount of gravity, not much, but it is measurable. Also, altitude affects gravity. The higher the altitude the weaker the gravity. This is why an object weighs less at altitude than when on the ground. This is also why time passes at a faster rate the further away from the ground you are and more slowly the closer to the ground you are. Differences in gravity have a measurable effect on the rate at which time passes and this has been proven in experiments using two atomic clocks, one on the ground and the other at altitude.

So, yes, the earth's gravity attracts objects. When you drop something it doesn't fall up, it falls down towards the ground.

If you choose not to accept that well proven fact, that's your choice, but

I really have to wonder when it seems explaining gravity is necessary in this forum...

[LearnMe]

Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes

And your evidence for this is ...?

Written in the design manual of course!

[ElijahAstin]

Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes

My family owns two Greek restaurants, the original is where I learnt to cook from my Father and Grandfather.

I don’t know if you’ve spent much time stateside, but you guys are Kings of the Great American Diner.

[Michael Way]

Originally Posted by LearnMe

I really have to wonder when it seems explaining gravity is necessary in this forum...

And especially when having to explain it to someone who claims to be a structural engineer.