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Old Today, 09:19 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes View Post
Only if you are an egoist. My love for my wife is dependent on her external existence.
so if someone dies you stop loving?
without something or someone out there in the external in the physical, you are unable to love?


that sounds like saying someone can not feel love unless they have physical objects in their life.
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Old Today, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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common sense
"common sense" is not evidence, particularly when most people would claim to have common sense, but still do plenty of crazy things.
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Old Today, 10:36 AM
 
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Most forms of love are conditional. Falling out of love with someone who does wrong by you is setting boundaries.

The one form of love that is, or at least should be, unconditional, is a parent’s love of a child.
If it is conditional that is not love. It is something else, a barter.
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Old Today, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Germany
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so if someone dies you stop loving?
without something or someone out there in the external in the physical, you are unable to love?


No, you still love something that was external to you.

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that sounds like saying someone can not feel love unless they have physical objects in their life.
Yes, that could be the conclusion to your non sequitur.
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Old Today, 11:33 AM
 
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Thanks, buddy. I will definitely check it out.

I do not indulge in discussions for enjoyment. Life is too serious for mindless fun.
I try to keep life from getting too serious for me. Enjoyment from discussions and from many other sources is a big part of life for me too. Mindlessness not so much as a rule...
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Old Today, 11:39 AM
 
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Is it not enough just to know that I can fall if I were to jump off the balcony and damn the reason why? Mountain goats know as much about falling off mountain sides without getting burdened with Newton's law about gravity.

The need to know was the cause of the fall of mankind, condemned to an absurd existence of Sisyphus rolling a boulder uphill by the sweat of our brow only to have it roll back down. Over and over again you roll that boulder uphill till you die. Does knowing that it is gravity that you are pushing against make you feel better?
I've never felt burdened with Newton's law about gravity, or by gaining knowledge about most kinds...

I've been retired for awhile now too, younger than average as both my wife and I wanted to make sure we retired young enough to enjoy ourselves while our health allowed us to do the things we love to do. Travel among those many things. I also still enjoy learning, so I've always got books on my nightstand that keep me mentally well fed. I'd hate for any of that to become a burden of any kind for me. I mean really?

What the goat knows about falling off mountain sides is because of gravity, whether they know about it or not, and either way the burden is to maintain sure footing. Not sure which is more burden all considered...
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Old Today, 11:42 AM
 
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You don't think you can fall in love with anyone or anything?

That's very sad. I'm sorry you never experienced real love.
Agreed. Real or not, it can be a very special experience indeed!

Since we're in mixed company, I'll just leave it at that...
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Old Today, 11:47 AM
 
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the love we may feel is already within us. it does not come from nor is it caused by nor is it dependent upon anything external.
I met my wife at a dance club where she was celebrating her 22nd birthday with her family. I was there to meet women...

She was dancing with her father, and I wondered what such a beautiful woman was doing dancing with an older man like that. First chance I got, I asked her to dance, and the rest is history. 35 years of marriage history.

That night after I got my wife's number at that club, I went home to sleep on my friend's sofa where I was bunking down at the time. I remember telling my friend before I laid down to sleep, that I think I found the woman I am going to marry. If she'll have me. A true story of love at first sight. One that I'm not sure was within me until I saw her that night.

Can't say it wasn't dependent on "anything external" all considered. Nothing I would have enjoyed internally had I not gone out that night I don't think...
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Old Today, 11:49 AM
 
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What is real love? The kind where one falls out of love with same person they fell in love with, and even begin hating this loved one, and sometime even killing this object of “real” love?
Love does not change or die. It simply is.
I've got countless songs in my music library that attempt to answer this question...
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Old Today, 11:52 AM
 
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Most forms of love are conditional. Falling out of love with someone who does wrong by you is setting boundaries.

The one form of love that is, or at least should be, unconditional, is a parent’s love of a child.
When my wife and I got married, I asked my father to be my best man. In part to avoid having to pick one of my four good friends who made up the rest of my side of the wedding party. At our reception my father made a toast, and I'll never forget what he said...

He said to everyone at the wedding that if anything happened between my wife and me, my parents would take my wife.
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