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You've gotta be kidding.
If he didn't exist, there go the miracles and there goes the crucifixion and resurrection.
We are talking about the "mythical" Jesus with all the bells and whistles including the miracles and whatnot. Clearly, a man existed called Jesus by the early Christians. Supposedly He retained perfect agape love and forgiveness for even His savage and brutal torturers and murderers on the Cross. That kind of human consciousness was not remotely prevalent among our brutish ancestors so His purported impact on His followers makes sense. The fact that they embellished Him with all manner of godly attributes and significance is not unusual for that era.
The fact that I actually encountered such consciousness in deep meditation as the source of the Oneness establishing our entire Reality (aka God) is cogent TO ME. It is consistent with the scientific rationale I have developed in my Synthesis and does suggest my reinterpretation of Christianity is plausible. It makes the existence of such a human consciousness and its relationship to God's consciousness believable and its tremendous significance to humanity plausible TO ME. YMMV
One doesn't negate the other. By the time Joseph Smith came along people were pretty fanatical about Christianity with almost 2000 years of brainwashing behind it and a miriad different sects. Christianity by that time was practically running through everybody's veins. Joseph Smith existed. His hallucinations were hallucinations. That doesn't prove that Jesus didn't exist.
What historical record are you referring to?
I think it was pretty much all hallucinations whether Smith or the apostles. The historic record would be any historians of the time who mentioned a "Jesus of Nazareth" and identified several attributes of Jesus that the gospels mention. The fact that not a single historian in the area in the 1st half of the century mentions a single supernatural event associated with Jesus is pretty much an open/shut case that the entire gospels narrative is mythical
Tradition says that the tablets were placed in the Ark of the Covenant. The ark is gone because it was only a typology - a foreshadowing of the Virgin Mary who would carry God Himself (the law and the prophets) within her body to be given for us.
Since we have Christ, who is the physical embodiment of the law, we don't need the tablets.
We are talking about the "mythical" Jesus with all the bells and whistles including the miracles and whatnot. Clearly, a man existed called Jesus by the early Christians. Supposedly He retained perfect agape love and forgiveness for even His savage and brutal torturers and murderers on the Cross. That kind of human consciousness was not remotely prevalent among our brutish ancestors so His purported impact on His followers makes sense. The fact that they embellished Him with all manner of godly attributes and significance is not unusual for that era.
The fact that I actually encountered such consciousness in deep meditation as the source of the Oneness establishing our entire Reality (aka God) is cogent TO ME. It is consistent with the scientific rationale I have developed in my Synthesis and does suggest my reinterpretation of Christianity is plausible. It makes the existence of such a human consciousness and its relationship to God's consciousness believable and its tremendous significance to humanity plausible TO ME. YMMV
I didn't catch earlier that this thing you had with Jesus happened during meditation. Yogis encounter Buddha during deep meditation. People have all sorts of spiritual realizations during meditation. You didn't die therefore everything that happened to you happened IN YOUR HEAD. You must'nt try to convince us that your personal experience in your head carries any weight that Jesus is real anywhere except in your head.
I didn't catch earlier that this thing you had with Jesus happened during meditation. Yogis encounter Buddha during deep meditation. People have all sorts of spiritual realizations during meditation. You didn't die therefore everything that happened to you happened IN YOUR HEAD. You must'nt try to convince us that your personal experience in your head carries any weight that Jesus is real anywhere except in your head.
You have got to get it into your head that EVERYTHING that we know and experience is IN OUR HEAD!!! That does not mean that solipsism is true, but it does mean that your dismissal is just puerile and immature. I find it strange that you do not find the idea at least intriguing that an avowed ATHEIST encountered the consciousness of God and eventually identified it as EXACTLY like the consciousness of Jesus who you previously revered as God!
we are talking about the "mythical" jesus with all the bells and whistles including the miracles and whatnot. Clearly, a man existed called jesus by the early christians. Supposedly he retained perfect agape love and forgiveness for even his savage and brutal torturers and murderers on the cross. That kind of human consciousness was not remotely prevalent among our brutish ancestors so his purported impact on his followers makes sense. The fact that they embellished him with all manner of godly attributes and significance is not unusual for that era.
The fact that i actually encountered such consciousness in deep meditation as the source of the oneness establishing our entire reality (aka god) is cogent to me. It is consistent with the scientific rationale i have developed in my synthesis and does suggest my reinterpretation of christianity is plausible. It makes the existence of such a human consciousness and its relationship to god's consciousness believable and its tremendous significance to humanity plausible to me. Ymmv :d
Tradition says that the tablets were placed in the Ark of the Covenant. The ark is gone because it was only a typology - a foreshadowing of the Virgin Mary who would carry God Himself (the law and the prophets) within her body to be given for us.
Since we have Christ, who is the physical embodiment of the law, we don't need the tablets.
I didn't catch earlier that this thing you had with Jesus happened during meditation. Yogis encounter Buddha during deep meditation. People have all sorts of spiritual realizations during meditation. You didn't die therefore everything that happened to you happened IN YOUR HEAD. You must'nt try to convince us that your personal experience in your head carries any weight that Jesus is real anywhere except in your head.
It all depends on your understanding of HEAD. To the atheist, it is that upper portion of the human body consisting the skull with it covering and contents,including the lower jaw. Spiritually, it is that immensity that encompasses everything that exists. Try it, thrill. It will blow your mind.
I think it was pretty much all hallucinations whether Smith or the apostles. The historic record would be any historians of the time who mentioned a "Jesus of Nazareth" and identified several attributes of Jesus that the gospels mention. The fact that not a single historian in the area in the 1st half of the century mentions a single supernatural event associated with Jesus is pretty much an open/shut case that the entire gospels narrative is mythical
Which historians though?
The first half of which century?
Can you provide a link to these historical records you mentioned. I don't know what you are referencing.
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