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Nothing got blurred, everything was clear since yesterday when the exchange happened.
Maybe you can explain what is confusing you.
Not all Jewish people believe in a god or practice Judaism...
Perhaps it was just me that was confused about how you seemed to be mixing Judaism and Jewish people in your comment, and if so, never mind. Not that important. As you were...
Not all Jewish people believe in a god or practice Judaism...
Perhaps it was just me that was confused about how you seemed to be mixing Judaism and Jewish people in your comment, and if so, never mind. Not that important. As you were...
As I were .... what? Confused? I was not confused. I knew what I was talking about.
Same here. I drank and partied quite a bit in my 20s, but I am not an alcoholic. My now-ex-husband's friend owned a bar, an Irish pub, and that was the center of our social life. Sports events, trips to AC, Knights of Columbus events, barbecues, etc. My parents rarely drank. I did not understand alcoholism at all, and when my exh told me how his father drank and was abusive until he found him dead at 49 of a heart attack when he himself was a teenager, I took that to mean that he would do whatever he could to be the opposite of his dad. I did not understand that he was on the road to become his father, especially after he became a father himself.
I always knew the time would come to grow up, that the party would end, that adulthood and parenthood and responsibility were up next, and I looked forward to that. But for him, the party was never going to end. Not drinking was not an option for him.
My wife is often after me to reduce my drinking, because she hardly drinks at all. Never has, but I always have to explain that I have always had wine and beer in my life and probably always will. Not sure how I ended up marrying a woman who is a health nut, not a partier and always early-to-bed-early-to-rise when I've always been the opposite! Lucky for me, or I'm not sure I'd still be alive today. Helped me to quit smoking for example, and the healthier diet she imposes has no doubt returned great dividends, since we're both pretty healthy and drug prescription free despite both of us now in our 60s. (She 60, me 65).
Not just about alcohol either. Nicotine definitely got the best of me for too long, and some dabbling with other drugs back in the day could have also lead to some bad ends, but for some reason my body would always let me know when "enough was enough." Even with smoking, my body was telling me to quit before it was too late, but with smoking, I didn't listen to my body the way I should have when I should have.
Same here. I drank and partied quite a bit in my 20s, but I am not an alcoholic. My now-ex-husband's friend owned a bar, an Irish pub, and that was the center of our social life. Sports events, trips to AC, Knights of Columbus events, barbecues, etc. My parents rarely drank. I did not understand alcoholism at all, and when my exh told me how his father drank and was abusive until he found him dead at 49 of a heart attack when he himself was a teenager, I took that to mean that he would do whatever he could to be the opposite of his dad. I did not understand that he was on the road to become his father, especially after he became a father himself.
I always knew the time would come to grow up, that the party would end, that adulthood and parenthood and responsibility were up next, and I looked forward to that. But for him, the party was never going to end. Not drinking was not an option for him.
Both my brothers drank, mostly Scotch, but neither was addicted. They did like to have a drink or two in the evening every day, but never at any other time nor ever lost control. Nobody in my family has ever been addicted, or an alcoholic, although everyone enjoyed a drink. Some a little too much, but was also able to quit when they decided it was getting harmful.
Not all Jewish people believe in a god or practice Judaism...
On that end, here’s a synopsis of an interesting article about binge drinking in Jewish and non-Jewish college students. Among most Americans, religious service attendance is inversely correlated with alcohol use and misuse. No such relationship exists for American Jews, although those who identify as religiously Jewish tend to binge drink less than those who identify as secularly Jewish:
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"This study has three key findings," said Luczak. "First, religious service attendance is associated with lower rates of binge drinking in non-Jewish college students, but not in Jewish college students. This is consistent with previous research. Second, being religiously Jewish, as compared with secularly Jewish, relates to lower rates of binge drinking, but Jewish cultural identification does not. Third, in the combined sample of Jewish and non-Jewish students, those who possessed the ADH2*2 genetic variation were approximately half as likely to binge drink as those who did not possess the variation."
My wife is often after me to reduce my drinking, because she hardly drinks at all. Never has, but I always have to explain that I have always had wine and beer in my life and probably always will. Not sure how I ended up marrying a woman who is a health nut, not a partier and always early-to-bed-early-to-rise when I've always been the opposite! Lucky for me, or I'm not sure I'd still be alive today. Helped me to quit smoking for example, and the healthier diet she imposes has no doubt returned great dividends, since we're both pretty healthy and drug prescription free despite both of us now in our 60s. (She 60, me 65).
Not just about alcohol either. Nicotine definitely got the best of me for too long, and some dabbling with other drugs back in the day could have also lead to some bad ends, but for some reason my body would always let me know when "enough was enough." Even with smoking, my body was telling me to quit before it was too late, but with smoking, I didn't listen to my body the way I should have when I should have.
Yeah, same here. I smoked until 53, so I know it still might come back to bite me.
Then again, I am typing this sitting next to a person with an unusual type of lung cancer, in fact a cancer not normally even found in the lungs and generally not thought to be caused by smoking at all. It's all a crapshoot.
It’s not unusual to you because you don’t have close familiarity with Jews or Jewish culture. I’m not calling you an ignoramus, but there’s a lot of knowledge you just don’t have, and that’s all right. Learn to let go of your ego and embrace that you are not a subject matter expert on everything having to do with religion and spirituality.
You need to stay on topic, Elijah. Character building through spirituality is what we are supposed to be talking about. God produces not physical human beings and ideas (such as Jews, Hindus, and whatnot) of what they are but spiritual manifestations of Himself. Christians, in general, and Quakers, in particular, are ambassadors of Christ. We strive to be perfect as God, our creator, is perfect.
Yeah, same here. I smoked until 53, so I know it still might come back to bite me.
Then again, I am typing this sitting next to a person with an unusual type of lung cancer, in fact a cancer not normally even found in the lungs and generally not thought to be caused by smoking at all. It's all a crapshoot.
My wife was concerned (a little more than necessary as usual) about how it seemed I was losing my voice a bit. Asked me to mention this to the doctor during my next physical. I did, and she referred me to an Ear, Nose and Throat specialist who listened to my tale about why I was there and agreed with me that losing my voice a bit was probably nothing. Pretty much to be expected to some extent as we get older.
Then he said, "but long as you're here, let's have a look anyway."
Next thing I know I'm getting some sort of fluid into my nose that drips down your throat to numb everything up a bit before he then inserted a long scope down through my nose and into my throat. No fun but not as bad as it sounds.
Good news is that the pictures of my throat all looked "healthy as could be" according to the doctor. I said I thought so, but it's nice to have confirmation all looks good, because having smoked as a teenager up until about 10 years ago, I've always been a little concerned about the damage done. Doctor said there are no signs of having smoked that he could see.
No doubt it pays off to quit even if later rather than sooner. I don't see it as a crapshoot, although I know what you mean. Sorry about your friend. No matter what we do, one never knows what will get us eventually. I'm hoping for me it's a bus.
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