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It did not happen when I prayed to God in that same manner, "letting go and letting God", as the popular saying goes. When I stopped seeking "outside help", or believing in God as a "Person" of sorts to whom I could petition for relief or comfort or guidance as is done in the Christian tradition, life went better, there was less despair at the feeling that my petitions went unheard, and the "coincidences" were more apparent.
So your path may not be prayer, yours might be trusting yourself. Or something to that effect.
I personally think prayer is on my path because I lean only on myself so much and ai am supposed to learn to give up control more.
So your path may not be prayer, yours might be trusting yourself. Or something to that effect.
I personally think prayer is on my path because I lean only on myself so much and ai am supposed to learn to give up control more.
That's a thought.
I have always had to lean on myself, and even moreso, had others leaning on me, so I maybe that is what I hoped for in Christianity. Someone to call out to, to lean on, to fill up what gets drained from me by taking care of everybody else.
I suppose the answer was too bad so sad, take care of it all on your own, and the final message is that I am to accept that. And I shall! I find myself lapsing into prayer out of habit sometimes, but I am training myself to stop doing that.
I can still hold to synchronicity outside of Christianity, though. There is something to it, I believe, and perhaps by removing the idea of God from my life, I will be better positioned to employ it.
I have always had to lean on myself, and even moreso, had others leaning on me, so I maybe that is what I hoped for in Christianity. Someone to call out to, to lean on, to fill up what gets drained from me by taking care of everybody else.
I suppose the answer was too bad so sad, take care of it all on your own, and the final message is that I am to accept that. And I shall! I find myself lapsing into prayer out of habit sometimes, but I am training myself to stop doing that.
I can still hold to synchronicity outside of Christianity, though. There is something to it, I believe, and perhaps by removing the idea of God from my life, I will be better positioned to employ it.
I don't think the answer for you is too bad so sad. Trusting yourself doesn't mean you should never be able to lean on others.
I just believe we all have different things we learn during our lives. My situation doesn't mean yours has to be the direct opposite, or even related. I'm not an expert or anything.
Your intuition is a gift. It literally gives you things.
I don't think the answer for you is too bad so sad. Trusting yourself doesn't mean you should never be able to lean on others.
I just believe we all have different things we learn during our lives. My situation doesn't mean yours has to be the direct opposite, or even related. I'm not an expert or anything.
Your intuition is a gift. It literally gives you things.
No, I didn't say that. Your statement about yourself just served as a jumping off point for my thoughts, and thanks for that!
You also misunderstood what I said about leaning on others. What I said was that was what I think I hoped to find through Christianity, which I was raised in and returned to several times over my life, seeking, I realize, something or someone to lean on. I mistakenly believed (hoped?) I could find that in God. My point was that I understand now that there is no one for me to lean on. Not God, not people. My destiny is to be the leanee, not the leaner. . It has just taken a lifetime to come to accept that.
At what point do we pray, and stop believing that the answer to our prayers is "just coincidence"?
At what point do we pray, and really, truly believe that we received an answer to our prayers..
...and it's not some 'happenstance' thing that happened?
What SAY you?
Seems to me that so many believe that IF they pray, they're supposed to get an answer
immediately...or, it's 'no deal' in their minds.
AND, it's supposed to be the answer that they want, the WAY they want it.
When did Jesus ever say that?
I get answers to my prayers all the time. Not the way i wanted...not in the time I wanted 'it', whatever 'it' was....
And it's not by some 'coincidence'''; it's often specific.
Don't know why it doesn't happen for other folks...
When you empirically demonstrate that prayed-for eventualities happen at a greater frequency than that at which they would otherwise occur (ie, a control group).
Until then, it's no different than the person who thinks they see efficacy in sacrificing a chicken to the orishas.
When you empirically demonstrate that prayed-for eventualities happen at a greater frequency than that at which they would otherwise occur (ie, a control group).
Until then, it's no different than the person who thinks they see efficacy in sacrificing a chicken to the orishas.
Maybe God refuses to quantify it.
Think about it.
Think about someone who says she loves you.
And you answer that if she can prove it to you quantitatively then you will believe her, and further, she must give you everything you ask for, immediately. Otherwise she is either a liar, evil, weak, or just plain fake.
Does she respond by hurrying to grab your slippers, doing an exotic dance for you and then hurrying to cook your favorite foods, then spending the night setting up the parameters for an experiment that will read off for you changes in her brainwaves and respiration when she thinks of you?
Or does she laugh and give you the bird?
Anyone half-sane would do the latter.
What if God doesn't want to jump and dance for you to "prove" His love? You sure don't want to jump and dance for Him to prove yours.
And you answer that if she can prove it to you quantitatively then you will believe her, and further, she must give you everything you ask for, immediately. Otherwise she is either a liar, evil, weak, or just plain fake.
Does she respond by hurrying to grab your slippers, doing an exotic dance for you and then hurrying to cook your favorite foods, then spending the night setting up the parameters for an experiment that will read off for you changes in her brainwaves and respiration when she thinks of you?
Or does she laugh and give you the bird?
Anyone half-sane would do the latter.
What if God doesn't want to jump and dance for you to "prove" His love? You sure don't want to jump and dance for Him to prove yours.
If this alleged god is going to behave as if it does not exist, then we have no reason to believe this god exists.
however many, many, many others have abundant and ample reason to recognize the the benefits of prayer and the existence of divinity.
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Or something to that effect.
. It has just taken a lifetime to come to accept that.
