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Old 04-11-2023, 07:58 PM
 
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It's a prophecy, Mike. The purpose of a prophecy is to talk about future events. It doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense to talk about an existing empire that has no association with a future Messiah the prophecy is making a prediction about, does it?
The Church has always understood that prophecy in the way I explained, and it makes sense to us. Of course you won't see it that way because you are predisposed to skepticism and are choosing to walk in blindness to the Truth.

This is an example of a typology. The Assyrians in this case are a "type" for any people or group who would persecute God's people.
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Old 04-11-2023, 08:01 PM
 
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You would admit then that Micah has nothing to do with Jesus?
Of course it has to do with Jesus.

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CHECKMATE!
LOL no.
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Old 04-11-2023, 08:05 PM
 
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From your link:

"The writers of the New Testament and later Christian literature reinterpreted or reapplied the Hebrew prophecies. This is not to disparage these later Christian authors, however, for they were participating in a long-standing process of reinterpretation that goes back to the prophetic books themselves."
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Old 04-11-2023, 08:12 PM
 
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From your link:

"The writers of the New Testament and later Christian literature reinterpreted or reapplied the Hebrew prophecies. This is not to disparage these later Christian authors, however, for they were participating in a long-standing process of reinterpretation that goes back to the prophetic books themselves."

But you still haven't dealt with the other part of the quote, Mike. Do you accept the declaration of the academics below as legitimate?



"This means that there is no prediction of Christ in the Hebrew Bible."


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You would admit then that Micah has nothing to do with Jesus?


The quote below pretty much confirms your statement, Mike


"The intent of the genre of prophecy in the Hebrew Bible was not primarily to predict the future—certainly not hundreds of years in advance—but rather to address specific social, political, and religious circumstances in ancient Israel and Judah.


This means that there is no prediction of Christ in the Hebrew Bible."

https://academic.oup.com/book/1920/c...dFrom=fulltext


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Old 04-11-2023, 10:20 PM
 
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You would admit then that Micah has nothing to do with Jesus?

The quote below pretty much confirms your statement, Mike

"The intent of the genre of prophecy in the Hebrew Bible was not primarily to predict the future—certainly not hundreds of years in advance—but rather to address specific social, political, and religious circumstances in ancient Israel and Judah.

This means that there is no prediction of Christ in the Hebrew Bible."

https://academic.oup.com/book/1920/c...dFrom=fulltext


CHECKMATE!
How the hell do those scholars know what God inspired the writers to write?? Obviously, the writers would try to interpret the inspirations in terms they could relate to and circumstances in their immediate future. That does not mean that God intended for them to do so. Since we really do not know what we do when it comes to God, we simply react as the inspirations drive us. Prophecy is NOT divination or predictions to be used to deal with any future situations. We cannot possibly know ahead of time what the inspirations are actually about or they wouldn't be needed.

Prophecies are entirely revelatory of God's intent for us and how we are to learn of Him. The information is intended to be discovered by future readers who find in them events that actually transpired in ways that mirror the prophecy. That is the only way prophecy can be identified - retrospectively. That is the unique and frustrating aspect of our situation in this "spiritual womb." We are completely ignorant of God and lack direct communication with God.
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Old 04-11-2023, 10:40 PM
 
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Wait, I'm waiting for Mike to respond to Thrillo. I'm enjoying their discussion
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Old 04-11-2023, 11:34 PM
 
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God never needed anything. The New Covenant is for our benefit, not His.
So your god had nothing to do with this Mafia like contract where we must follow his rules or pay the consequences?
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Old 04-12-2023, 03:31 AM
 
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Just to warn the readers in advance, some Christian is going to come on this thread and say that these "prophecies" have double meanings--that they refer to the events of that particular period in Israel's history AND to Jesus as prophetic utterances. It's a clever ruse--an attempt to try to pull the wool over people's eyes, seeing as how Christians are at a loss to explain away the obvious fact the OT verses have nothing to do with Jesus. And thus do Christians demonstrate the depths of dishonesty they are willing to stoop to convince people Jesus is the Son of God and the savior of man.

Don't be fooled by their guile.

The OT verses refer to things IN that time in Israel's history centuries before Jesus came along and no other period--certainly not Jesus.
Don't be fooled by anti-Christian rhetoric .....many knew that a messiah was promised by God, and people who did not know God rejected Jesus
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Old 04-12-2023, 08:31 AM
 
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How the hell do those scholars know what God inspired the writers to write?? Obviously, the writers would try to interpret the inspirations in terms they could relate to and circumstances in their immediate future. That does not mean that God intended for them to do so. Since we really do not know what we do when it comes to God, we simply react as the inspirations drive us. Prophecy is NOT divination or predictions to be used to deal with any future situations. We cannot possibly know ahead of time what the inspirations are actually about or they wouldn't be needed.

Prophecies are entirely revelatory of God's intent for us and how we are to learn of Him. The information is intended to be discovered by future readers who find in them events that actually transpired in ways that mirror the prophecy. That is the only way prophecy can be identified - retrospectively. That is the unique and frustrating aspect of our situation in this "spiritual womb." We are completely ignorant of God and lack direct communication with God.

Mystic, this is what's important in here:


"This means that there is no prediction of Christ in the Hebrew Bible."

https://academic.oup.com/book/1920/c...dFrom=fulltext

Mike was going along not so fine but then went off the rails when I nailed him with this:


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But you still haven't dealt with the other part of the quote, Mike. Do you accept the declaration of the academics below as legitimate?


"This means that there is no prediction of Christ in the Hebrew Bible."

He hasn't bothered to respond to my question so I assume he threw in the towel. The bottom line is that academia simply doesn't recognize that Jesus was predicted in the Old Testament because such a belief is irrational, incomprehensible and just plain silly.
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Old 04-12-2023, 09:49 AM
 
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Don't be fooled by anti-Christian rhetoric .....many knew that a messiah was promised by God, and people who did not know God rejected Jesus

What does this have to do with the price of rice in China, hljc? Can you for once just respond to the topic?
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