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Old 05-02-2023, 09:35 AM
 
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The Jews didn’t miss Jesus. Jesus couldn’t possibly have been the Messiah because the conditions put forth in the Hebrew Law weren’t there. Read Isaiah 2:2-4. The world was at war during Jesus time. When the Messiah comes he will judge nations and they’ll put down their swords. None of that happened during Jesus’ time. The Jews were following the Tenak.
Jesus gave the way to be saved at that final wrath when he comes again.


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What some Christians are doing is corrupting the Hebrew Bible to ramrod Jesus into it.

Please explain why Christians need the Old Testament for. The Old Testament isn’t a Christian book. It’s a book written by Jews and for Jews.
You have a lot to learn and shouldn't sound so authoritative.

The Bible is for everyone. Jews first then everyone else.


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Christians believe in the New Testament. They’re all about “the blood” and not “the law”. So, leave the Old Testament alone already. They have their human sacrifice and the resurrection in the New Testament. That’s all they need really.
Jesus is the fulfillment of the Old and New Testament.

You need to ask yourself why there are no more prophets in the Jewish religion since Jesus. Ask yourself why God doesn't speak to the Jews anymore, those who rejected His Son. There is no more temple no more priest no high priest and no more animal sacrifices to be done for the Jews anymore for all those things are only found in Jesus now.

Think for yourself what is better, the blood of animals or the blood of the Son of God as the sacrificial Lamb once and for all.

Jesus is the Temple the High Priest the special diet and special clothing he is the circumcision and all special days were about him and he is the Lamb whose blood takes away the sins of the world.
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Old 05-02-2023, 09:37 AM
 
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Mike, the Jews believe that Yahweh appointed them the chosen people and that one day all of the known world ("all nations") would be under their rule. It wasn't a prophecy about Jesus. The Christians cherry-picked all the verses using the pronoun, "He" and ones that said "will rule" and said "These are about our savior and king, Jesus." It's all a fraud. One day you will have a light bulb go on over your head like I did and say, "By God, Thrillobyte was right! None of these are about Jesus!"


Mike, the best you can do is say, "This is a future prophecy about Jesus when he returns to earth to rule." It'll never happen because that is just pie in the sky wishful thinking.
This is a prophecy about Christendom.
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Old 05-02-2023, 09:59 AM
 
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I read Isaiah 53 and I concur: the servant is Israel.
The whole Bible is about Jesus.

It is FINISHED, RESTORED, and FULFILLED through Jesus Christ because it was and is all about him.

Jesus is the law and the prophets, even the names of the prophets are about him.
He is the circumcision, the Passover, the snake in the dessert, the Rock in the desert, the bread from heaven, the crossing of the Jordan, the special diet, the special clothes, the Temple he is the Israel of God's heart, the promised land, the city in heaven, all the special days were about him.
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Old 05-02-2023, 10:59 AM
 
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What point are you trying to make?
That the NT is contradictory. Either Jesus was a divine angel / being (Paul / Hebrews) who lost his powers when he took human form (Paul) to be sacrificed once, in heaven (Hebrews), or he was sacrificed once on earth while keeping his god powers.

You may cherry pick the scripture you want, I prefer to compare them all to understand the history of the NT.
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Old 05-02-2023, 11:01 AM
 
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God in the flesh was right in front of the rich man.
The rich man was not a disciple or an apostle.
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Old 05-02-2023, 11:06 AM
 
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The rich man was not a disciple or an apostle.
Of course he wasn't. He had the chance to follow Jesus and be a traveling minister with him but he didn't want to live his home and riches.
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Old 05-02-2023, 11:09 AM
 
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In Psalm 22, there is no mention of piercing. I'm not sure why translators use "forsaken" for "azavtani." ayin-z-b/v means "leave". Gen 2:24 uses the same root but the translators don't use "forsake". Strange.
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It's not strange when you consider that the Christians wanted their avatar man god Jesus crucified. They wanted the story to read "His hands were pierced with Roman nails". The Psalm line originally was "They dug" my hands and feet כָּאֲרווּ ka’aru. However, the Christian storytellers liked the word, "pierced" better because it sounded more dramatic and conveyed better the idea of a nail piercing flesh rather than digging it. It's all about the drama, folks, not the truth.



https://torahresource.com/psalm-2216-like-lion-pierced/
The problem is the writers of the NT used the Greek Septuagint, not the Hebrew texts. I believe the Greek says 'pierced', so it may have nothing to do with preference or direct mistranslations.
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Old 05-02-2023, 11:10 AM
 
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Thrill, you simply are not equipped to contemplate the significance of any of the inspirations since you seek specificity in the references to individuals in time and space. But they ALWAYS refer GENERICALLY to our entire SPECIES (Humanity itself). By treating them as specific predictions for any specific time and place you are treating them as divination, NOT prophecy.

Prophecy is only validated by recognizing and matching subsequent occurrences in the future. It cannot be known ahead of time and interpreted as to any specific time and place. Jesus brought God's Holy Spirit perfectly to humanity as predicted for our SPECIES, not for any specific time and place. The Hebrews missed Jesus because they had determined what the prophecies referred to ahead of time (Divination) and were looking for the wrong Messiah with the wrong signs.
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The Jews didn’t miss Jesus. Jesus couldn’t possibly have been the Messiah because the conditions put forth in the Hebrew Law weren’t there. Read Isaiah 2:2-4. The world was at war during Jesus time. When the Messiah comes he will judge nations and they’ll put down their swords. None of that happened during Jesus’ time. The Jews were following the Tenak.

What some Christians are doing is corrupting the Hebrew Bible to ramrod Jesus into it.

Please explain why Christians need the Old Testament for. The Old Testament isn’t a Christian book. It’s a book written by Jews and for Jews.

Christians believe in the New Testament. They’re all about “the blood” and not “the law”. So, leave the Old Testament alone already. They have their human sacrifice and the resurrection in the New Testament. That’s all they need really.
The interpretive level applied to the Torah that resulted in the Hebrew Law was carnal and applicable to the schoolmaster stage of our spiritual evolution. Our ancestors were essentially primitives whose savagery and brutality needed to be "tamed" by obedience using fear of God. They continue to interpret scripture carnally and refuse to seek the deeper spiritual meanings by parsing the characters of Hebrew, This is why they missed Jesus who embodied the real spiritual essence of humanity and God, IMO.
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Old 05-02-2023, 11:11 AM
 
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People who will actually read the above link will see that thrillobyte completely ignores the fact that the Septuagint which is pre-christian translates the Hebrew as 'pierced'. The controversy over the Septuagint's translation is over the spelling of a word. The details are given in the above link. The New Testament doesn't quote Psalm 22:16 (it does quote Psalm 22:1, but not verse 16) so the issue is strictly whether the pre-christian translators correctly translated the Hebrew word. It had nothing to do with ''the Christian storytellers (lik[ing) the word ''pierced'' better because it sounded more dramatic . . .''

Just another example of how thrillobyte slants the facts.
To be fair, he did not know or understand the facts. To suggest he slants (slanted?) the facts implies dishonesty.
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Old 05-02-2023, 11:20 AM
 
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That the NT is contradictory. Either Jesus was a divine angel / being (Paul / Hebrews) who lost his powers when he took human form (Paul) to be sacrificed once, in heaven (Hebrews), or he was sacrificed once on earth while keeping his god powers.
When Jesus came to as a human, he gave up much to live as a human.
When he was baptized he was given power for his earthly ministry.

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You may cherry pick the scripture you want, I prefer to compare them all to understand the history of the NT.
People using the words 'cherry pick' to try to discredit another about the Bible is nonsense.
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