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Old 05-01-2023, 12:41 AM
 
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I know this is a very touchy subject for a lot of people, and may be a fundamental issue in their faith.


However, we need to know the origin of this belief. It needs to be a believable and authoratative source for it to become a fundamental of our belief system.


What if we are ALL sons of God? Can we ALL call God our "Father" which means we are his sons/daughter and lay claim to a direct familial link to God?


If not, then maybe we can be cousins or second cousins, or just best mates?


So, lets have at it...
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Old 05-01-2023, 12:50 AM
 
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Nobody else ever made the claim.
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Old 05-01-2023, 12:55 AM
 
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since God created all people,
then we are all children of God

everyone is a child of God.
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Old 05-01-2023, 07:11 AM
 
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Jesus Christ does look at people as children of God. So much so that he said to call no man father but your Father in heaven. He said that because after Adam sinned and then chose self-justification and judged God, rather than owning it and seeking mercy. And because of that, all Adam had to offer was dying seed.

Jesus Christ is the firstborn and heir of all God's creation, which Abel acknowledged with his offering and also acknowledged what sin had done to him, dismembered him from God's Garden and put him to Death.

Through Abraham and Isaac you see the story of the firstborn and heir taking shape.

After the sin when questioned, the woman did not curse God, she pointed to the Satan/serpents beguiling, and in God's judgement on the serpent, God said the seed of the woman will crush his head and he will strike his heel. God did not say the seed of the man and woman. God was referring to the seed of living creation, from his first spoken words; Let there be light. As the Satan/serpent had come along and claimed himself to be first light.

A side note to Jesus Christ speaking of taking up serpents, as you can see in the previous paragraph in the judgement on the serpents head and that he will strike his heel. Jesus Christ overcame him. And you can also see that when Moses lifted up the brazen serpent in the desert.

Jesus Christ was crucified under the charge of claiming to be the son of God. As this world seeks to bastardize him. God raised him from the dead according to the living seed God shared in creation from His first spoken. Jesus Christ didn't go around Death, he accepted the judgement and overcame. The Satan/serpent in his beguiling lie claimed no judgement out of one side of his mouth, while speaking judgement against God and God's word out of the other side of his mouth. Who in his end has no ground upon which to stand and disloyalty is all he can seek. While Jesus Christ chose loyalty to God and His word even to the point of Death and suffering.

God put two named trees in the Garden of Eden. Jesus Christ accepted ownership of both trees and to the fullest.

It is good to seek intercession for others, so that what is done in secret will be rewarded openly.
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Old 05-01-2023, 07:15 AM
 
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Jesus is the only begotten Son of God - the only Person who proceeds directly from God the Father. He is begotten, not made, as the Creed tells us.

Jesus is called 'Son of God' in terms of His relation to God the Father. The Son proceeds from the Father.

Humans do not proceed from God, but we proceed from human parents. Even the first man, Adam, did not proceed from God directly, but was formed and fashioned by God out of matter - the dust of the earth.

Human beings can rightly be called 'sons of God' if we have been baptized into God's family. It is through baptism that we are adopted as sons. God is our Father, and Christ is our brother.

This is what the New Testament teaches.
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Old 05-01-2023, 10:03 AM
 
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I know this is a very touchy subject for a lot of people, and may be a fundamental issue in their faith.


However, we need to know the origin of this belief. It needs to be a believable and authoratative source for it to become a fundamental of our belief system.


What if we are ALL sons of God? Can we ALL call God our "Father" which means we are his sons/daughter and lay claim to a direct familial link to God?


If not, then maybe we can be cousins or second cousins, or just best mates?


So, lets have at it...
Doesn’t the Lord’s Prayer indeed begin with Our Father?
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Old 05-01-2023, 10:28 AM
 
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Doesn’t the Lord’s Prayer indeed begin with Our Father?
Yes, because believers have the right to be called children of God (John 1:12). We are adopted into the family of God (Galatians 4:4-5).
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Old 05-01-2023, 10:50 AM
 
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Jesus Christ was crucified under the charge of claiming to be the son of God.
Nope, he was crucified because the Romans didn't like the fact that he claimed to be "King of the Jews" when they already had kings installed to run Judea.

The Jews were used to people claiming that they were the Messiah and all that stuff.

Jesus tearing up the Temple and advocating that the Temple was corrupt and needed to be destroyed got him in hot water with those guys.
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Old 05-01-2023, 10:59 AM
 
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Nope, he was crucified because the Romans didn't like the fact that he claimed to be "King of the Jews" when they already had kings installed to run Judea.

The Jews were used to people claiming that they were the Messiah and all that stuff.

Jesus tearing up the Temple and advocating that the Temple was corrupt and needed to be destroyed got him in hot water with those guys.
Why Jesus was crucified depends on whether you are looking from the perspective of the Romans or the Jews.

From the perspective of the Romans, Jesus was crucified as an act of appeasement to the mob.

From the perspective of the Jews, Jesus was crucified for blasphemy (His claim to be God).
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Old 05-01-2023, 11:17 AM
 
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Why Jesus was crucified depends on whether you are looking from the perspective of the Romans or the Jews.

From the perspective of the Romans, Jesus was crucified as an act of appeasement to the mob.

From the perspective of the Jews, Jesus was crucified for blasphemy (His claim to be God).
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