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Old 07-07-2023, 01:35 PM
 
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Repentance and faith are not possible after bodily death, so that is not a realistic scenario.
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Why not?
According to St. John Chrysostom, the repentance that leads to salvation contains six elements: condemnation of one’s sin, humbleness of mind, intense prayer with tears, almsgiving, forgiveness, and leading others away from sin.

Reparation must also be made.

These things are impossible to do after bodily death. We can't perform good deeds in our bodies if our soul is separated from it and our body lies useless and dead in the grave.

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Homilies on Hebrews

Homilies on the Gospel of John
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Old 07-07-2023, 01:47 PM
 
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According to St. John Chrysostom, the repentance that leads to salvation contains six elements: condemnation of one’s sin, humbleness of mind, intense prayer with tears, almsgiving, forgiveness, and leading others away from sin.

Reparation must also be made.

These things are impossible to do after bodily death. We can't perform good deeds in our bodies if our soul is separated from it and our body lies useless and dead in the grave.

Sources:

Homilies on Hebrews

Homilies on the Gospel of John
Our Spirit does not die. It simply leaves this physical womb (our body) so it has all the capabilities to change as it does while in the body.
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Old 07-07-2023, 01:53 PM
 
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Our Spirit does not die. It simply leaves this physical womb (our body) so it has all the capabilities to change as it does while in the body.
I agree that the soul (or spirit as you call it) does not die. However, your conclusion is in disagreement with the overwhelming consensus of the Fathers and the testimony of the Church. I realize that that fact means nothing to you.
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Old 07-07-2023, 05:45 PM
 
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That's not true. Animals, among them, Chimpanzees and Elephants have both been known to act out of revenge.
They have very good memories and they may see those who hurt them as danger and therefore attack to remove the danger.

Revenge is a consciously thought out and planned action, often in cold blood.

Very different things..
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Old 07-07-2023, 05:55 PM
 
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These things are impossible to do after bodily death. We can't perform good deeds in our bodies if our soul is separated from it and our body lies useless and dead in the grave.

Human birth and body is an opportunity to collect good karma to offset bad karma. But this opportunity is wasted if having born a human a person still dos not seek moksha, liberation, salvation.
In Hindu thought the spirit is already pure, already brilliant, and everlasting. To understand we are our spirit and not our body that is time bound takes effort, study, knowing, and worship as offering of love to the spirit within. Yes, each being needs to seek.
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