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Old 11-15-2023, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I'm not defending it at all. I was clarifying what slavery was like in BC Syria.

Put your "teacher" hat on here.
You certainly don't seem to be condemning it.
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Old 11-15-2023, 11:14 AM
 
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What do you do with a Hebrew servant who refuses to leave his master's house?

There are laws and traditions about servants refusing to leave their master's house because so many refused to leave after 7 years. So much so that stocks were built to shame such a Hebrew who wished to stay as a servant. It is instilled in the Hebrews not to be servants, thus the stocks shamed them as a lesson to be your own man, and yet you went back to the master's house, he stood you against the door and drilled a whole in your left ear.
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Old 11-15-2023, 01:49 PM
 
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Not if you lived in Syria in the BC timeframe.
If you treated a slave badly then you got treated the same way.
Slaves got paid, had days off to practice their religion and had many freedoms.

The concept of slavery in the OT is not and should not be compared to the slavery of the Civi War era.
Even in VA, slavery developed and its cruelty grew worse and worse, but this is not a thread on the history of slavery in the US. From the first slave laws to the last, restrictions grew, the right of owners to free their slaves became fewer and more expensive and slave breeding was becoming an industry. Biblical slavery was different, but it was still chattel bondage. Southerners used the Bible and its verses to justify the system.
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Old 11-15-2023, 02:10 PM
 
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Someone mentioned in old covenant law, a person was not to return a runaway slave. Another GROSS violation on the US' part.
A southerner might argue that a slave was not a person - in VA law they were real estate - and hence should be returned like any property that went astray. Virginia had a hodgepodge of slave laws until a major reform in 1705 where their status as not people was codified, it remained that way. CHAP. XXIII. An act declaring the Negro, Mulatto, and Indian slaves within this dominion, to be real estate. https://vagenweb.org/hening/vol03-20.htm

Note the preamble to the session which states: THE CAPITOL, IN THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURGH, THE TWENTY-THIRD DAY OF OCTOBER; IN THE 4TH YEAR OF THE REIGN OF OUR SOVEREIGN LADY ANNE, BY THE GRACE OF GOD, OF ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, FRANCE, AND IRELAND, QUEEN, DEFENDER OF THE FAITH, &c. ANNOQ, DOM. 1705
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Old 11-15-2023, 02:33 PM
 
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A southerner might argue that a slave was not a person - in VA law they were real estate - and hence should be returned like any property that went astray.
Nice. With a twist of words and a law, and human could magically be changed into inorganic matter. Just material property

This thread is bringing out some very troubling sentiments and mindsets among people, defending slavery in any form. Not a single justified reason has been mentioned yet, nor can any come. And yet look at what people are saying and attempting.

And no, as a southerner myself, slavery can only be considered hideous and disgusting. No human being can ever be anything less than a human being.
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Old 11-15-2023, 03:42 PM
 
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A southerner might argue that a slave was not a person - in VA law they were real estate - and hence should be returned like any property that went astray. Virginia had a hodgepodge of slave laws until a major reform in 1705 where their status as not people was codified, it remained that way. CHAP. XXIII. An act declaring the Negro, Mulatto, and Indian slaves within this dominion, to be real estate. https://vagenweb.org/hening/vol03-20.htm

Note the preamble to the session which states: THE CAPITOL, IN THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURGH, THE TWENTY-THIRD DAY OF OCTOBER; IN THE 4TH YEAR OF THE REIGN OF OUR SOVEREIGN LADY ANNE, BY THE GRACE OF GOD, OF ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, FRANCE, AND IRELAND, QUEEN, DEFENDER OF THE FAITH, &c. ANNOQ, DOM. 1705

All their would be arguments become moot when we realize the OT ordered against enslaving brothers and sisters. And we know if a slave is injured, they are to be set free on account of their injury. There's a lot American slave masters ignored concerning OT.
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Old 11-15-2023, 03:57 PM
 
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This thread is bringing out some very troubling sentiments and mindsets among people, defending slavery in any form.
Amen!

Weird topic for a discussion!

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Finally the kicker, under OT law, an Israelite could not enslave a fellow Israelite. God only allowed those outside the nation of Israel to become slaves to Israel.
You are not a Jew. You're outside the nation of Israel. So how do YOU feel about being a slave? Yea or nay?

Would you be happy to see your family as slaves?

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Old 11-15-2023, 04:28 PM
 
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Jesus spoke a parable one time concerning His return. Matthew 24: 45-51 states.......


“Who then is the faithful and sensible slave whom his master put in charge of his household to give them their food at the proper time?

“Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes.

“Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions.

“But if that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is not coming for a long time,’

and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards;

the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know,

and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.




So Jesus is making a point here, referring to those who believe on Him as His slaves. Yet among His slaves, those who would beat their fellow slaves are considered evil. This is why I say American slavery could not be justified using the OT, and the NT is based on the OT. When one think about it, its hard to believe so much evil happened after the cross than before. Way more people have been murdered, abused, and raped in the modern world (1800s-now), than any other time. For those who like to say we progressed so much since the ancients' understanding of morality.
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Old 11-15-2023, 04:33 PM
 
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You are not a Jew. You're outside the nation of Israel. So how do YOU feel about being a slave? Yea or nay?

Would you be happy to see your family as slaves?

Here in America, the Bible was used to justify slavery. (And used against slavery as we know) Yet just reading the plain text and understanding the spirit of the words, we see America was in gross violation. Also, most people don't know all the laws governing slavery in the OT. So I wanted to clear that up, because there are those who say the Bible said slavery was ok without understanding what it actually said concerning it.


Of course I wouldn't want to be a slave to any man or woman in the earthly sense.
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Old 11-15-2023, 05:11 PM
 
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Here in America, the Bible was used to justify slavery.
That's not accurate, as the primary justification.

They wanted to continue their economic system - which included slavery - because it was so predominant. They had invested so much in that approach, and didn't want to change or disrupt it. That's the main reason they fought for it; not because of alleged statements in the Bible.
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