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Old 11-22-2023, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Yes, thank you for posting that. It looks as if this guy didn't follow the protocol.
Unfortunately, that's how it looks. He's guilty of a very grave mistake. I can't imagine why ANYONE would handle the situation the way he did.
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Old 11-22-2023, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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I don't care about the law, or the religion, that this was known and let continue is unspeakable, and definitely un-Godly. I don't see how anyone could defend the behavior. Say a prayer doesn't "fix" pedophiles whether incest is involved or not.
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Old 11-22-2023, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I don't care about the law, or the religion, that this was known and let continue is unspeakable, and definitely un-Godly. I don't see how anyone could defend the behavior. Say a prayer doesn't "fix" pedophiles whether incest is involved or not.
A key point to the whole situation.
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Old 11-29-2023, 11:15 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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What "benefit" came to the victims from this person's confession? He continued to do it for years. It's absolutely disgusting that the bishop/priest/whatever did nothing to help those poor kids. The only thing possibly "gained" was for the criminal to get it off his chest and feel like he was forgiven as he continued to do unimaginable harm to the victims.
Unfortunately I believe that there may be, in many states, a "priest-penitent" or "clergy" privilege.
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Old 11-29-2023, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Unfortunately I believe that there may be, in many states, a "priest-penitent" or "clergy" privilege.
It's very much like the old principle of 'the king can do no wrong'.
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Old 11-29-2023, 05:48 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Unfortunately I believe that there may be, in many states, a "priest-penitent" or "clergy" privilege.
It's very much like the old principle of 'the king can do no wrong'.
Very different doctrines, "privilege" and "sovereign immunity." Privileges, such as attorney-client, spousal, doctor-patient and clergy are designed to ensure that people can have frank discussions and receive frank advice. "Sovereign immunity" was originally to protect a real person from being sued. As many monarchies morphed into constitutional monarchies or "democratic" republics, the sovereign immunity doctrine recognizes that when one sues the "government" they are really suing everyone.
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Old 11-29-2023, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Very different doctrines, "privilege" and "sovereign immunity." Privileges, such as attorney-client, spousal, doctor-patient and clergy are designed to ensure that people can have frank discussions and receive frank advice. "Sovereign immunity" was originally to protect a real person from being sued. As many monarchies morphed into constitutional monarchies or "democratic" republics, the sovereign immunity doctrine recognizes that when one sues the "government" they are really suing everyone.
It's very much like the old principle of 'the king can do no wrong'.
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Old 12-01-2023, 10:51 PM
 
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I don't care about the law, or the religion, that this was known and let continue is unspeakable, and definitely un-Godly. I don't see how anyone could defend the behavior. Say a prayer doesn't "fix" pedophiles whether incest is involved or not.
Ha!
“un-Godly” you said?

Look at thread title “religious abuse”.
As if religion and God tells these Atheists pedophiles to cover themselves up under the guise of a Bishop or a priests or a Mullah or a Rabbi or a guru to prey on kids.
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Old 12-01-2023, 10:56 PM
 
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You think it was a valid standard?
1500 years from now and people of that future era will look back at us and raise questions on some of the things that we do in this day and age as “normal” - and they will not approve it when they judge it with the standard of that era.
Would that be the “valid standard”?
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Old 12-01-2023, 11:03 PM
 
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No, if you want to claim the classical sources for your religion are false, you provide evidence. I already know those classical sources exist. Come on, show us the evidence that the wedding to Aisha was not consummated when she was 9.



First you claim I have no evidence that the wedding to Aisha was consummated when she was 9, then you say it did happen, but the standards were different then. So much for objective morality.
What “valid sources” you are talking about?
Let’s hear it.
Make sure to provide the valid date of birth of Ayesha from those sources to prove your point. We will start with verifying it first.
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