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Old 11-25-2023, 08:52 PM
 
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As I heard a woman say recently, she had questions and was given the verse, "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not to thine own understanding". She said to the man who said it to her, "So I'm supposed to lean to YOUR understanding?" Loved it.
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But I am not even sure what's studied at some of these Bible studies. It seems that a large part of the Bible study, at least from some of the posters on here, is simply memorizing verses to be quoted in lieu of actual dialogue. I wouldn't call that "studying".
There wasn't all that much discussion, it was usually a teacher telling you what it meant ... although in fairness sometimes it was better than that. Still ... often even the attendees were looking for official answers to their questions, not any sort of reasoned response that would allow them to form their own view or even to honestly adopt the same view as the teacher without just parroting the party line. And it was rare for someone to admit that there was any controversy or uncertainty about an interpretation.

Most folks seemed to have the attitude, "just tell me what to think", not any real curiosity.
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Old 11-25-2023, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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not every thing in the Bible is from Allah
it contains things changed and added by humen
which make it not integrated and cause confusions and make some people who read the Bible turn into atheists
How would you know what parts of the Bible are changed or added by humans?

Let me guess: it's the parts that you think disagree with the Quran, right?

I have zero doubt that there are Muslims who have become atheists, too. But when that happens, I'll bet you'd say it's not caused by reading the Quran.

I also have zero doubt that Muslim theologians have their share of controversies and arguments about what the Quran means. If there was no "confusion" then there would not be different sects in Islam. There'd be no need for the Hadith -- who needs commentaries and addendums when the holy book is complete, accurate, and self-evident in meaning?
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Old 11-26-2023, 12:42 AM
 
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How would you know what parts of the Bible are changed or added by humans?
by it's ridiculous content for example

Jacob wrestling with and defeating God

also
It would not be surprising for anyone to turn away from God and not consider Him worthy of worship if He himself has to repent from His own evil Exodus 32:14

let alone Ezekiel 23:20

also as you said here
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Let me guess: it's the parts that you think disagree with the Quran, right?
that is 100% correct becasue every thing in the Quran is from Allah the only god
and the god does not make errors
and I have proved more than once that every thing in the Quran is from Allah


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19236AKFEJo

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I also have zero doubt that Muslim theologians have their share of controversies and arguments about what the Quran means. If there was no "confusion" then there would not be different sects in Islam. There'd be no need for the Hadith -- who needs commentaries and addendums when the holy book is complete, accurate, and self-evident in meaning?
that is a prophecy
The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said
Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects,
and this ummah will split into seventy-three sects,
seventy-two of which will be in the Fire
and one in Paradise.
That is the jamaa’ah (the main body of Muslims)

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Old 11-26-2023, 03:14 AM
 
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Satan has no influence or power over a person,
but he has the ability to whisper in his chest to make him decide to do something that have result at first is joyful,
but the end result is very painful.
Satan has the ability to make something bad beautiful.

Satan does not come to a person and command him to do evil directly but he does it via many steps

and he decived Adam and Eve in steps to make the disopey Allah and eat from the tree

first he said him
O Adam! Shall I lead you to the Tree of Eternity and to a kingdom that will never waste away
and said
Your Lord has not forbidden you this tree except that you may not both become two angels or that you may (not) become of the immortals.
and said
I swear by Allah I am loyal advisor to both of you

then after he sweard to them by Allah they both accepted his advise
and forgot the warning of Allah to them regrading Iblis (satan) that he is enemy to them


And indeed We made a covenant with Adam before,
but he forgot, and We found on his part no firm will-power.
And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves to Adam."
They prostrated themselves (all) except Iblis (Satan) he refused.
Then We said: "O Adam! Verily, this is an enemy to you and to your wife.
So let him not get you both out of Paradise, so that you will be distressed.
Verily, you have (a promise from Us) that you will never be hungry therein nor naked.
And you (will) suffer not from thirst therein nor from the sun's heat.
Then Shaitan (Satan) whispered to him, saying:
"O Adam! Shall I lead you to the Tree of Eternity and to a kingdom that will never waste away?"
Then they both ate of the tree, and so their private parts became manifest to them,
and they began to cover themselves with the leaves of the Paradise for their covering.
Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he went astray.
Then his Lord chose him, and turned to him with forgiveness, and gave him guidance.

Adam and Eve commited a sin and Allah punished them by exiting them from Paradise
and they repented and asked Allah forgivness and Allah forave them.

we do not inherent that sin
that story is finish
we born without any sin
Jesus was not crucified and does not pay or carry other,s sins

O you who believe! do not follow the footsteps of the Shaitan,
and whoever follows the footsteps of the Shaitan, then surely he bids the doing of indecency and evil;
and were it not for Allah's grace upon you and His mercy, not one of you would have ever been pure,
but Allah purifies whom He pleases;
and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
I don’t believe Adam and Eve is a literal story, nor do I believe Satan has any ongoing influence over this world.
Yes he may exist in the fires of Hell, that’s only if that is an eternal place too.
I was a member of a Christian church for a while, where all they seemed to talk about was “the enemy”.
It’s a very negative view on any form of religious life.
If I’m wrong on that, then eternity is a long time to be wrong, but I don’t go to bed at night worrying about Satan.

Last edited by Derek41; 11-26-2023 at 03:23 AM..
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Old 11-26-2023, 07:20 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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by it's ridiculous content for example

Jacob wrestling with and defeating God

also
It would not be surprising for anyone to turn away from God and not consider Him worthy of worship if He himself has to repent from His own evil Exodus 32:14

let alone Ezekiel 23:20

also as you said here

that is 100% correct becasue every thing in the Quran is from Allah the only god
and the god does not make errors
and I have proved more than once that every thing in the Quran is from Allah


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19236AKFEJo



that is a prophecy
The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said
Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects,
and this ummah will split into seventy-three sects,
seventy-two of which will be in the Fire
and one in Paradise.
That is the jamaa’ah (the main body of Muslims)
You can't use the Bible to prove the Bible is true.

You can't use the Qur'an to prove the Qur'an is true.
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Old 11-26-2023, 11:21 AM
 
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How would you know what parts of the Bible are changed or added by humans?

Let me guess: it's the parts that you think disagree with the Quran, right?
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that is 100% correct becasue every thing in the Quran is from Allah the only god
and the god does not make errors
and I have proved more than once that every thing in the Quran is from Allah
It is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to prove everything (or anything!) in the Quran is true or from God!!! IMPOSSIBLE! Get a clue! You can BELIEVE IT, But there is NO WAY to prove it, period!!!

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You can't use the Bible to prove the Bible is true.

You can't use the Qur'an to prove the Qur'an is true.
This ^^^^
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Old 11-26-2023, 03:51 PM
 
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I don’t believe Adam and Eve is a literal story,
it is enough to believe in the version that is mentioned in the Quran.

if still not believe then what is the story for our existance in this planet that is called earth.

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nor do I believe Satan has any ongoing influence over this world.
Satan already have done many influence over this world
for example
a man can marry another man

The obsessions that come to a person have more than one source.
They may be an obsession from himself
which is the soul that inclines to evil
or they may be an obsession from Satan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aG0QeQrFok
Say: I seek refuge in the Lord of mankind,
The King of mankind,
The god of mankind,
From the evil of the sneaking whisperer,
Who whispereth in the hearts of mankind,
Of the jinn and of mankind.

Last edited by truth_teller; 11-26-2023 at 04:07 PM..
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Old 11-26-2023, 03:58 PM
 
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You can't use the Bible to prove the Bible is true.

You can't use the Qur'an to prove the Qur'an is true.
with adding logic and science and facts...etc then we can prove true or false
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Old 11-26-2023, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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with adding logic and science and facts...etc then we can prove true or false
You have breathlessly shared countless proofs that you think are logical, scientific and factual that in fact are no such thing and in fact reveal your ignorance of what those things are.

As Mensa pointed out, you can't prove a holy book with itself. The book is the claim, not the proof. This is very basic. You are not only accomplishing what you hope to; you are accomplishing the opposite.
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Old 11-26-2023, 05:51 PM
 
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It is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to prove everything (or anything!) in the Quran is true or from God!!! IMPOSSIBLE! Get a clue! You can BELIEVE IT, But there is NO WAY to prove it, period!!!

This ^^^^


The oral Quran that was memorized from the prohet thru men orally until our time and
the written copy are the same
and that proves that it was not changed
and the scientific knowledge that are in the quran proves that it is from Allah
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