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Old 11-26-2023, 08:26 PM
 
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The oral Quran that was memorized from the prohet thru men orally until our time and
the written copy are the same
and that proves that it was not changed
and the scientific knowledge that are in the quran proves that it is from Allah
The mindset and cultural zeitgeist that makes possible your belief in these absurd "proofs" is why it is impossible to reason with ANY true believer Muslim. A similar problem attends reasoning with Christian fundamentalists.
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Old 11-27-2023, 12:20 AM
 
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The mindset and cultural zeitgeist that makes possible your belief in these absurd "proofs" is why it is impossible to reason with ANY true believer Muslim. A similar problem attends reasoning with Christian fundamentalists.
those Scientists have different opinion



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvbJ8Woh8p8
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Old 11-28-2023, 08:03 PM
 
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I don’t believe Adam and Eve is a literal story, nor do I believe Satan has any ongoing influence over this world.
Yes he may exist in the fires of Hell, that’s only if that is an eternal place too.
he is not yet in the fires of Hell
but he will be for sure 100% in the fires of Hell for ever on the Day of Resurrection.

and i think regarding on some of his impacts over this world on some people

Same-sex marriage
Sex Outside of Marriage
Pornography
the believe that Jesus paid for the sin of Adam and our sins
trinity
the believe that Jesus is the god
the believe that Jesus is the son of the god
atheism
not believing in the final messenger of Allah Muhammad
Absurd, oppressive, tyrannical, aggressor wars

in general any action that will cause evil result for any one in this world and/or in the last world

He uses long-term plans and incremental actions for his plans


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al4hB0dTDPQ
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Old 11-29-2023, 03:03 AM
 
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he is not yet in the fires of Hell
but he will be for sure 100% in the fires of Hell for ever on the Day of Resurrection.

and i think regarding on some of his impacts over this world on some people

Same-sex marriage
Sex Outside of Marriage
Pornography
the believe that Jesus paid for the sin of Adam and our sins
trinity
the believe that Jesus is the god
the believe that Jesus is the son of the god
atheism
not believing in the final messenger of Allah Muhammad
Absurd, oppressive, tyrannical, aggressor wars

in general any action that will cause evil result for any one in this world and/or in the last world

He uses long-term plans and incremental actions for his plans


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al4hB0dTDPQ
Another of his impacts over this world on some people, Islam?
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Old 12-04-2023, 04:22 AM
 
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From what I understand Islam is THE ONLY religion that provides good HOPE for the hereafter. And that too IF one supports his faith in God by worship AND by works (try to live a morally cautious life, and put your best efforts in doing what’s good and avoiding what’s forbidden. If you make a mistake or a sin, MAKE UP FOR IT and THEN repent with full honesty and intention to not do it again).


All other faiths provide “Guarantee” without much of a focus on works. All you need is to have is the belief. And a guarantee of Heaven is provided.

And to me, it’s only wishful thinking.

But again, we are free to make our choices.
I think we should use our intelligence and logic to do our research and arrive to logically solid conclusions and make wise choices - because in the end, we will be responsible for our choices.
Hmm…and Muslims have a tendency to expedite your trip to the hereafter. They say their god “is all merciful” but they will kill you if you <bleep> them off. In Islam if you “make a mistake” or sin you’re getting killed or maimed especially if you’re a woman.

So, no thanks.

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Old 12-04-2023, 06:46 AM
 
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Hmm…and Muslims have a tendency to expedite your trip to the hereafter. They say their god “is all merciful” but they will kill you if you <bleep> them off. In Islam if you “make a mistake” or sin you’re getting killed or maimed especially if you’re a woman.

So, no thanks.
It is not necessary to paint all members of a religion with a broad brush. Quite obviously, all Muslims are not running around killing people. Making such inferences does nothing to further discussion.

In fact, I am attending a holiday party with my Muslim boss later today given by an organization for women in the transportation industry (she is a transportation engineer). There will be discussion and networking and food. No killing on the agenda as far as I can see
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Old 12-04-2023, 10:44 AM
 
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It is not necessary to paint all members of a religion with a broad brush. Quite obviously, all Muslims are not running around killing people. Making such inferences does nothing to further discussion.

In fact, I am attending a holiday party with my Muslim boss later today given by an organization for women in the transportation industry (she is a transportation engineer). There will be discussion and networking and food. No killing on the agenda as far as I can see
Not only not necessary but rather dumb all considered. Unfortunately, no matter how dumb, there are always people who love to "stir the pot" of hatred to pit one tribe against another so the going backward can continue.

Would be interesting if this were part of your discussion. If so, do tell...
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Old 12-04-2023, 11:17 AM
 
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Not only not necessary but rather dumb all considered. Unfortunately, no matter how dumb, there are always people who love to "stir the pot" of hatred to pit one tribe against another so the going backward can continue.

Would be interesting if this were part of your discussion. If so, do tell...
Lol, I doubt that. This bunch of women will likely be talking about a new tunnel under the Hudson, the redevelopment of JFK and EWR, Second Avenue Subway Phase II, which firms are teaming with which, exciting things like that. They will be of different races and cultural backgrounds for sure because, hey, it is New York City. The engineering world is far less discriminatory than some others. They just want to build stuff.
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Old 12-04-2023, 11:34 AM
 
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Lol, I doubt that. This bunch of women will likely be talking about a new tunnel under the Hudson, the redevelopment of JFK and EWR, Second Avenue Subway Phase II, which firms are teaming with which, exciting things like that. They will be of different races and cultural backgrounds for sure because, hey, it is New York City. The engineering world is far less discriminatory than some others. They just want to build stuff.
I'm headed to JFK early on Wednesday. Ask her if they'll be done making it reasonable by then.
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Old 12-04-2023, 12:46 PM
 
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I'm headed to JFK early on Wednesday. Ask her if they'll be done making it reasonable by then.
Haha, too funny. I don't have to ask anybody that. You know who I worked for for 37 years, don't you?

Check back in a decade. It should look pretty good by then!
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