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Old 12-11-2023, 05:52 AM
 
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Religiously morality vs man made morality.
Except your religious morality is also man made.

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There is some common ground to it but the biggest difference is, the fundamentals of religious morality tend to say constant while man made morality not only changes over time, it also differs from society to society.
Yes, man made religious morality is morality of a certain time and culture frozen in scripture. There are reasons we do not stone disrespectful teenagers.

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Take for example, theft - which is morally wrong - both in religious morality and in man made morality. Both religion and man laws are in place to stop it.

Religious morality did not change but man made morality did.
We saw it recently in California where a theft of under $950 is not a crime or punishable by law any more. You may thump your chest that this is a great sign of progression as we evolve - and so does our morality. But looting scenes in the retail store pose a different picture.
We see it in the US constitution, where many of the OT laws would be illegal. Why do you think that is?
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Old 12-11-2023, 11:29 AM
 
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Religiously morality vs man made morality.
There is some common ground to it but the biggest difference is, the fundamentals of religious morality tend to say constant while man made morality not only changes over time, it also differs from society to society.

Take for example, theft - which is morally wrong - both in religious morality and in man made morality. Both religion and man laws are in place to stop it.

Religious morality did not change but man made morality did.
We saw it recently in California where a theft of under $950 is not a crime or punishable by law any more. You may thump your chest that this is a great sign of progression as we evolve - and so does our morality. But looting scenes in the retail store pose a different picture.
This rationale might work for me if I could believe religion was not man made...

Theft, in the name of religion or by man has also been rationalized in ways that actually made theft both moral and right. Are you not aware of all the history along these lines?

BTW, there is more to these stories having to do with loosening penalties for crimes that you don't seem to be aware of either. As one who lives in California, I get tired of explaining the other side of these stories to people who just seem hell bent on trying to make California look like some sort of insane asylum. People don't really want to understand these problems. They just want to politicize them. Listening to DeSantis talk about our "freedoms" in California, for example, was an insult to intelligence. Just dumb.
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Old 12-11-2023, 11:34 AM
 
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If you have the freedom and choice to say "No Thanks" to Muslim women asking you to wear Burka - then - they also have an equal right to say "No Thanks" to YOU when you suggest that to express their freedom, they should take off the Burka.
Isn't that simple enough to understand?
Too simple actually.

I would never suggest a women should take off any clothing. Not for these sorts of reasons anyway...

You don't seem to understand me at all. Not sure why, but all I'm advocating is that women be free of undue influence when it comes to what they wear, can do or can't do. Whether the influence being imposed is from religion, government, other people and in particular men who have sexist tendencies. That's all. In keeping with all rights gained by women over time. Rights that men had a way of keeping from them one way or another. By way of religion no exception.
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