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Old 12-18-2023, 07:40 PM
 
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Whoever enters Paradise after his death is not a fool
Whoever enters Hell after his death is a fool
To which hell are you referring ? Biblical hell or some religious-myth hell teaching ?
Scripture teaches that on the day righteous Jesus died Jesus went to hell - Acts 2:27
Not to some place of torture but to ' sleep ' in the grave because Jesus and the OT both teach 'sleep' for the dead.
( Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14 )
Sleep in death until Resurrection Day ( Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day governing over Earth for a thousand years ).
Some to a first or earlier resurrection to Heaven - Rev. 20:6, but the majority - John 3:13 - to a healthy-and-happy physical resurrection on Earth, a beautiful paradisical Earth as described in the 35th chapter of Isaiah.

 
Old 12-18-2023, 09:39 PM
 
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This.

Omnipotence is a similarly incoherent concept, as is free will. Religion all falls apart on any real examination and critical analysis.

Merry Christmas, all.

Wow, Merry Christmas - all you fools for believing in the divine birth of Jesus and religion?

Passive-aggressive enough for you?
 
Old 12-18-2023, 09:52 PM
 
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Does God really care about us?
 
Old 12-18-2023, 10:06 PM
 
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If, as I believe, the Universe is the manifestation of all that can ever exist or occur, wouldn't that conflict with the concept of a guided existence? Once a divine force starts making choices about what should or should not happen, then that inherently limits the possible manifestations. If all possible forms of existence must happen, then the contrary scenarios of any possible unguided existence must also be allowed to occur.
 
Old 12-18-2023, 10:41 PM
 
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Does God really care about us?
Yes, He really does more than we are capable of imagining. The religions have done a terrible job of representing God and have egregiously blasphemed His character beyond the pale, IMO!
 
Old 12-18-2023, 11:23 PM
 
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wrong input wrong output

Jesus was not crussifed and not only the Quran confirmed that and that is enough
but also The Gospel of Barnabas
Barnabas acknowledged that Allah cast the likeness of Jesus on Judas, and that Jesus was taken up to heaven

The Church rejected The Gospel of Barnabas because it denies the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and thus denies his glorious resurrection from the dead.
It also denies the divinity of Jesus Christ, and these are the basic doctrines of Christianity.

the christian are following the Church and not the Prophet Jesus who told them to follow the next Prohet Ahmed (Mahammed)
But if they do not answer you,
then know that they only follow their low desires;
and who is more erring than he who follows his low desires without any guidance from Allah?
Surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
The Gospel of Barnabas, a 15th century AD fake! Are you THAT desperate for evidence?
 
Old 12-19-2023, 06:29 AM
 
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Does God really care about us?

Yes, according to my understanding. He showed His love by sending Jesus to restore our lost relationship with Him. Care and love are action words, and still today Jesus has the holes in his hands, feet, and pierced side as reminders of what He did. Some might say why didn't the Father come Himself and die on the cross? Well, certainly dying for those you love is the ultimate show of care. Yet how many of you love an individual so much, that you would give your children to die for them? The Father loved us that much!

Jesus wanted us restored no doubt, He Himself loves us. Yet He prayed about it , seeing if there was another way to accomplish the task. He ultimately did what the Father wished. Jesus taking the sin of the world and dying, that was what the Father wanted.
 
Old 12-19-2023, 09:45 AM
 
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Yes, according to my understanding. He showed His love by sending Jesus to restore our lost relationship with Him. Care and love are action words, and still today Jesus has the holes in his hands, feet, and pierced side as reminders of what He did. Some might say why didn't the Father come Himself and die on the cross? Well, certainly dying for those you love is the ultimate show of care. Yet how many of you love an individual so much, that you would give your children to die for them? The Father loved us that much!

Jesus wanted us restored no doubt, He Himself loves us. Yet He prayed about it , seeing if there was another way to accomplish the task. He ultimately did what the Father wished. Jesus taking the sin of the world and dying, that was what the Father wanted.
Taking the sin of the world even to the point of dying meant ENDURING the savagery, brutality, and ignorance of our ancestors with perfect agape love for them and us. That is what showed us what we are to strive for in this life -- the agape love of God and each other (and enduring to the end of this physical existence). Being "born again" as a Spirit is our goal and Jesus is the firstborn of us HUMAN Spirits to accomplish it and establish a place in Heaven for all of us with our Father (Abba) God (even those in limbo who preceded Him in death).
 
Old 12-19-2023, 11:08 AM
 
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Taking the sin of the world even to the point of dying meant ENDURING the savagery, brutality, and ignorance of our ancestors with perfect agape love for them and us. That is what showed us what we are to strive for in this life -- the agape love of God and each other (and enduring to the end of this physical existence). Being "born again" as a Spirit is our goal and Jesus is the firstborn of us HUMAN Spirits to accomplish it and establish a place in Heaven for all of us with our Father (Abba) God (even those in limbo who preceded Him in death).
Exactly right! Well explained! As this is central to Catholicism, I bet it's one of the few times Catholic and MysticPhD agree!

Jesus did not take or remove sin - sin, like the poor, will always be with us.
 
Old 12-19-2023, 11:31 AM
 
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To which hell are you referring ? Biblical hell or some religious-myth hell teaching ?
Scripture teaches that on the day righteous Jesus died Jesus went to hell - Acts 2:27
Not to some place of torture but to ' sleep ' in the grave because Jesus and the OT both teach 'sleep' for the dead.
( Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14 )
Sleep in death until Resurrection Day ( Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day governing over Earth for a thousand years ).
Some to a first or earlier resurrection to Heaven - Rev. 20:6, but the majority - John 3:13 - to a healthy-and-happy physical resurrection on Earth, a beautiful paradisical Earth as described in the 35th chapter of Isaiah.
The hell that is mentioned in the final Holy book the Quran
Allah has promised the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women
and the unbelievers the fire of hell to abide therein;
it is enough for them;
and Allah has cursed them
and they shall have lasting punishment.
Jesus did not die and was not crucified
and any events based on that did not take place

Enoch Powell says in his book “The Evolution of the Gospel ”:

“The story of the Roman crucifixion of Christ was not present in the original text of the Gospels.


for more details please see
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/2241...d-christianity

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1261...he-crucifixion

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/4257...out-redemption

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/2310...their-own-eyes
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