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Old 01-16-2024, 08:59 AM
 
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And you would be wrong. My religion believes no such thing based on our scriptures.
Your religion has scriptures that mention Jesus?
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Old 01-16-2024, 09:07 AM
 
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Your religion has scriptures that mention Jesus?
No...and in fact, that's part of the point. We have our own fictions.
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Old 01-16-2024, 09:40 AM
 
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And you would be wrong. Matthew 19:18 is an illustration that points out that no one has fulfilled the Law. Not you, not me, no one.

Without a savior, we are all lost in our sin. Thankfully, Jesus is that savior, and he was crucified on my behalf.
You are correct, but you misunderstand what it means. Our SPECIES had not fulfilled its purpose of connecting our collective human spirit with God's Holy Spirit leaving all who had "died" and been "born again" as Spirits in limbo. AS one of us, Jesus came to accomplish what we could not and succeeded in permanently connecting our collective human spirits with God's Holy Spirit. It was not about any individual salvation. We are responsible for our sanctification by BECOMING Spirits "in Christ" (as much like Jesus as we can).
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Old 01-16-2024, 09:44 AM
 
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You are correct, but you misunderstand what it means. Our SPECIES had not fulfilled its purpose of connecting our collective human spirit with God's Holy Spirit leaving all who had "died" and been "born again" as Spirits in limbo. AS one of us, Jesus came to accomplish what we could not and succeeded in permanently connecting our collective human spirits with God's Holy Spirit. It was not about any individual salvation. We are responsible for our sanctification by BECOMING Spirits "in Christ" (as much like Jesus as we can).
And I've pointed it out before, but based on the lack of charity and love you show me and others by continuing to insult us and tell us that we don't know God tends to indicate that you are doing a rather poor job of doing that. Good luck with that.

I'd rather trust in the mercy of God.
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Old 01-16-2024, 10:47 AM
 
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And I've pointed it out before, but based on the lack of charity and love you show me and others by continuing to insult us and tell us that we don't know God tends to indicate that you are doing a rather poor job of doing that. Good luck with that.

I'd rather trust in the mercy of God.
I can't stop you from taking insult from my opinions about our ancestors' misguided beliefs about God. That is all on you! My encounter with God was unmistakable so I have zero doubts about our ancestors' misunderstanding of God. My success or failure to be "in Christ" at any given time has nothing to do with it. As your reliance on God's mercy shows, we are only human.
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Old 01-16-2024, 12:11 PM
 
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I'd rather trust in the mercy of God.
every believer is depending in the mercy of Allah

The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said,
“Be moderate and adhere to moderation,
for there is no one among you who will be saved by his deeds.”
They said:
“Not even you, O Messenger of Allah?”
He said:
“Not even me.
Unless Allah encompasses me with mercy and grace from Him.”

faith and believing is to
To believe in Allah,
His Angels,
His Books,
His Messengers, (all the true Messengers)
the Last Day and the divine decree, both good and bad
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Old 01-18-2024, 08:18 AM
 
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every believer is depending in the mercy of Allah

The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said,
“Be moderate and adhere to moderation,
for there is no one among you who will be saved by his deeds.”
They said:
“Not even you, O Messenger of Allah?”
He said:
“Not even me.
Unless Allah encompasses me with mercy and grace from Him.”

faith and believing is to
To believe in Allah,
His Angels,
His Books,
His Messengers, (all the true Messengers)
the Last Day and the divine decree, both good and bad
I'd rather worship a just and fair God. Why would you want one that does not hold sinners accountable?
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Old 01-18-2024, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I'd rather worship a just and fair God. Why would you want one that does not hold sinners accountable?
Then you're in the wrong church.
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Old 01-18-2024, 10:37 AM
 
Location: So Cal/AZ
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123:4.5 (1361.5) The only real accident Jesus had up to this time was a fall down the back-yard stone stairs which led up to the canvas-roofed bedroom. It happened during an unexpected July sandstorm from the east. The hot winds, carrying blasts of fine sand, usually blew during the rainy season, especially in March and April. It was extraordinary to have such a storm in July. When the storm came up, Jesus was on the housetop playing, as was his habit, for during much of the dry season this was his accustomed playroom. He was blinded by the sand when descending the stairs and fell. After this accident Joseph built a balustrade up both sides of the stairway.

123:4.6 (1361.6) There was no way in which this accident could have been prevented. It was not chargeable to neglect by the midway temporal guardians, one primary and one secondary midwayer having been assigned to the watchcare of the lad; neither was it chargeable to the guardian seraphim. It simply could not have been avoided. But this slight accident, occurring while Joseph was absent in Endor, caused such great anxiety to develop in Mary’s mind that she unwisely tried to keep Jesus very close to her side for some months.
https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book...hildhood-jesus
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Old 01-18-2024, 03:15 PM
 
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I'd rather worship a just and fair God. Why would you want one that does not hold sinners accountable?
The Quran and the Hadith have many verses and statements regarding sinners and attackers
and punishments and asking for forgiveness and repent
and the conditions to accept forgiveness and repent.

in my post i only have mentioned the high level elements.


And the recompense of evil is punishment like it,
but whoever forgives and amends,
he shall have his reward from Allah;
surely He does not love the unjust.


And do not think Allah to be heedless of what the unjust do;
He only respites them to a day on which the eyes shall be fixedly open,
Hastening forward, their heads upraised,
their eyes not reverting to them and their hearts vacant.

Inform My servants that I am the Forgiving, the Merciful,
And that My punishment-- that is the painful punishment.

So. he who has done an atom's weight of good shall see it
And he who has done an atom's weight of evil shall see it.
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