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Old 02-16-2024, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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Everyone who observes the Torah.
I know you mean well, but it's almost offensive to invite Jews. Why would Jews be interested in the New Testament at all?
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Old 02-17-2024, 03:17 AM
 
Location: NSW
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I know you mean well, but it's almost offensive to invite Jews. Why would Jews be interested in the New Testament at all?
Purely from a historical perspective?
One can read about any religion, but with no invested emotional or spiritual input.
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Old 02-18-2024, 03:38 PM
 
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I know you mean well, but it's almost offensive to invite Jews. Why would Jews be interested in the New Testament at all?
1. there are plenty of Jews, that were baptised into Christianity, including pastors, even cardinals. That's one reason
2. all of the founders of Christianity, so to speak, were Jews. Starting with Yeshua himself. That's second reason.
What's wrong with such interest? Either spiritual, or scholastic? Why would it be offensive? See it as you wish, but it is a very important segment of human history and spiritual development.
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Old 02-18-2024, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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1. there are plenty of Jews, that were baptised into Christianity, including pastors, even cardinals. That's one reason
2. all of the founders of Christianity, so to speak, were Jews. Starting with Yeshua himself. That's second reason.
What's wrong with such interest? Either spiritual, or scholastic? Why would it be offensive? See it as you wish, but it is a very important segment of human history and spiritual development.
Martin Luther had a heart for Jews after 1400 years of the church severely oppressing them, but when the Jews wouldnt convert, Luther deemed them to be sub human not able to even purchase land.

100 years after Jesus died came Hadrian who hated Jews worse than anyone and he made a deal with Christian's to Excile Jews from Jerusalem to take over all their synagogues. We call them barbaric sub humans saying we threw down their law while claiming to be the new Jews writing thread after thread how Christian's are the new Israel who really knows the bible.

Hitler used the words of Luther to convince his people that Jews were animals.

Christian's wont even study the law and God's worship system, but the Jews know the law and God's ways, what do Christian's think they will teach the Jew?

How not to he a Jew?
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Old 02-18-2024, 08:20 PM
 
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I think, your response is what is called a sleuth of hand in rigged card games. Complete change of topic.
Also, a bit later, I remembered the third reason, why Jews should know Yeshua and Christianity.
Christianity is Jewish heritage to goyim.
Heritage, that allowed them to believe that they too can be saved.
That is a great gift from Jews to humanity. Or, Israelites, or Hebrews, it's semantics, in case pundits will decide to step in.
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Old 02-18-2024, 08:41 PM
 
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Judaism has always said that God is available to everyone.
God is not proprietary. no special membership required. available to all like the air we breathe.

there is no such thing as "salvation" in Judaism. everyone is already a child of God and everyone has a spark of God within.
"salvation" is an invention of Crstnty. so too is "original sin" invented by Crstnty.

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Old 02-18-2024, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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I think, your response is what is called a sleuth of hand in rigged card games. Complete change of topic.
Sweet, I like how you put that.


Heavenese seems to be a sweet person, but a new person to the religion forums. I think she/he was real sweet for the invite, it's just that it's a little embarrassing to me because I see so much anti Semitism and replacement theory that it makes me cynical.
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Old 02-19-2024, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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I think, your response is what is called a sleuth of hand in rigged card games.
It's "sleight of hand" but TBH, "sleuth" makes more sense.
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Old 02-19-2024, 08:28 AM
 
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I know you mean well, but it's almost offensive to invite Jews. Why would Jews be interested in the New Testament at all?
My childhood bestie asked me to be in her wedding party. However, as a Jew, she refused to be in my wedding party as it was in a church. Her fiancé was far more of a religious Jew, and IMHO, insisted on her stance. Her fiancé, like many Jews, believed that Christianity bastardized Judaism and see Jesus as an interloper.
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Old 02-19-2024, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Bart Ehrman had a degree from the Moody Bible Institute and a MDiv (Master of Divinity). I asked you to provide the names of historians, not ministers. It appears you don't have any, just as I suspected.
Are you talking about this guy? While he doesn't appear to be trained in history, he does have some credibility with a PhD from Princeton.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_D._Ehrman
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