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Old 02-17-2024, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Originally Posted by eddie gein View Post
I was reading your post and a thought hit me.

I know what you need.

You need to get Christians to quit telling people that they are going to hell if they don't buy in Christianity.

You need to get Christians to quit demanding that others live up to said Christian's idea of a "moral code"... or at least be consistent concerning what that moral code might be.

It is truly amazing that Christians can't understand why there is pushback to all this.

But the most pathetic thing about Christianity is that Christians can't even agree with themselves. Perhaps if Christians could figure out exactly what their "perfect book" actually says.

All one needs to see that is to visit our own Christianity forum to see evidence of this.
Bravo!
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Old 02-17-2024, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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How does any of that affect your life negatively?
One might just as well ask how someone living a life of iniquity by your lights affects your life negatively.

There's an eccentric guy who runs a bookstore near me, or more exactly, a big old barn that is a thin disguise over his hoarding of books. Books are his friends. He is elderly now, and his neighbors see that he is rapidly becoming too frail to exist in this building that he now lives in. There is no indoor plumbing, limited water. There is only electricity and heat and a warren of narrow aisles, many of which you have to sidestep your way through.

This guy is living his dream and until now it has negatively impacted exactly no one since he makes enough money to live on. In fact it has delighted a couple of generations of local bookworms (both kinds, doubtless).

Let's pretend that this was sinful for him to be doing, that the Bible said, "thou shalt not hoard scrolls unto thyself". Maybe he ends up in hell for that, but that's his choice. It's no skin off your back, except that if you live next door and worry about him as a human being you might be forced to call the county nurse to come haul him off under protest so that he's properly cared for. But that's a separate issue, rather like some wastrel drinking too much and needing to be taken somewhere to dry out for his own good. I daresay that's no more impactful than some exuberant Sunday evening church service keeping a neighbor awake late once in awhile. Or some obnoxious street preacher haranguing passers-by trying to mind their own business.

So the real situation is that people should live their lives as they see fit, shy of immediate, direct self harm or infringing on other's rights. It doesn't impact you if someone is gay, or trans, or wants an abortion; no one is holding a gun to your head demanding you marry someone of the same sex, change your gender, or abort a fetus. It just ticks you off because they aren't following YOUR ruleset.
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Old 02-17-2024, 02:19 PM
 
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But he DID interview eyewitnesses. And the other 3 were written by eyewitnesses. The epistles were written by eyewitnesses. Paul met Jesus on the road to Damascus and was personally tutored and commissioned by him.

This is a perfect example of the pure blarney Christians spout without any regard for authority to back their silly claims:


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But he DID interview eyewitnesses.
Pure unadulterated baloney. Nowhere in all of literature Christian or secular will you find a definitive statement that Luke interviewed eyewitnesses to Jesus. He says



"those who were eyewitnesses from the beginning and ministers of the word have handed them down to us" We don't know who the "us" is. If it had read "me" then you'd have a valid claim.


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And the other 3 were written by eyewitnesses.
Again, pure baloney. No secular historian acknowledges authorship of the gospels by eyewitnesses. What historians say is:


"All four were anonymous (with the modern names of the "Four Evangelists" added in the 2nd century), almost certainly none were by eyewitnesses, and all are the end-products of long oral and written transmission."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel


Are any of the books of the Bible written by eyewitnesses?


"Most scholars agree that they are the work of unknown Christians and were composed c. 68-110 AD. The majority of New Testament scholars also agree that the Gospels do not contain eyewitness accounts; but that they present the theologies of their communities rather than the testimony of eyewitnesses."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...of_the_Gospels


Nevertheless, Christians like BF will continue to foment such untruths in a desperate attempt to trick gullible bumpkins into accepting his religion. Sad, very sad that Christians have to stoop to this level.


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The epistles were written by eyewitnesses.
Let's take the John epistles. Here's what Bart Ehrman a noted Biblical scholar says:


"Critical scholars today almost entirely think that the author was not the *same* person as the author of the Gospel, and was almost certainly not John the Son of Zebedee. he probably was, though, an author living in the same community, at a later time, with a similar point of view."


https://ehrmanblog.org/what-are-the-epistles-of-john/


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[Paul]was personally tutored and commissioned by [Jesus].
No doubt Paul in his heavenly hallucinations sat at a school desk jotting down stuff on a wax pad with his stylus while Jesus scribbled on a chalkboard stuff he wanted Paul to copy down to tell his followers back on earth, eh?


Readers, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze fact check anything Christians claim to be the truth because the above is a perfect example of why you should.

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Old 02-17-2024, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I don't have to prove it. I'm not the one that led with the assertion that the Bible is not a valid source.
You're right. You don't have to prove a thing. Until you want non-believers to believe.
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Old 02-17-2024, 02:32 PM
 
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One might just as well ask how someone living a life of iniquity by your lights affects your life negatively.

There's an eccentric guy who runs a bookstore near me, or more exactly, a big old barn that is a thin disguise over his hoarding of books. Books are his friends. He is elderly now, and his neighbors see that he is rapidly becoming too frail to exist in this building that he now lives in. There is no indoor plumbing, limited water. There is only electricity and heat and a warren of narrow aisles, many of which you have to sidestep your way through.

This guy is living his dream and until now it has negatively impacted exactly no one since he makes enough money to live on. In fact it has delighted a couple of generations of local bookworms (both kinds, doubtless).

Let's pretend that this was sinful for him to be doing, that the Bible said, "thou shalt not hoard scrolls unto thyself". Maybe he ends up in hell for that, but that's his choice. It's no skin off your back, except that if you live next door and worry about him as a human being you might be forced to call the county nurse to come haul him off under protest so that he's properly cared for. But that's a separate issue, rather like some wastrel drinking too much and needing to be taken somewhere to dry out for his own good. I daresay that's no more impactful than some exuberant Sunday evening church service keeping a neighbor awake late once in awhile. Or some obnoxious street preacher haranguing passers-by trying to mind their own business.

So the real situation is that people should live their lives as they see fit, shy of immediate, direct self harm or infringing on other's rights. It doesn't impact you if someone is gay, or trans, or wants an abortion; no one is holding a gun to your head demanding you marry someone of the same sex, change your gender, or abort a fetus. It just ticks you off because they aren't following YOUR ruleset.
To sum up, what YOU believe God wants is between you and God and applies only to YOU! God needs no "enforcers." What society wants and allows is up to societal consensus and enforcement.
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Old 02-17-2024, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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How does any of that affect your life negatively?
The same way(s) being a minority affects anyone in any area, any place in the world.
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Old 02-17-2024, 02:37 PM
 
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This is a perfect example of the pure blarney Christians spout without any regard for authority to back their silly claims:
Says the one that is making unfounded assertions and claiming "scholars say".

My scholar can beat up your scholar.
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Pure unadulterated baloney. Nowhere in all of literature Christian or secular will you find a definitive statement that Luke interviewed eyewitnesses to Jesus. He says
You mean besides Luke 1? Where he said so?
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Readers, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze fact check anything Christians claim to be the truth because the above is a perfect example of why you should.
Now I know why I rarely respond to you. At no point have you come up with any new arguments, but you have shown yourself to be unreasonable. I don't WHY you hate so much, but I feel sorry for you. I really do. It must be tiring to hate that much.
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Old 02-17-2024, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Says the one that is making unfounded assertions and claiming "scholars say".

My scholar can beat up your scholar.

You mean besides Luke 1? Where he said so?


Now I know why I rarely respond to you. At no point have you come up with any new arguments, but you have shown yourself to be unreasonable. I don't WHY you hate so much, but I feel sorry for you. I really do. It must be tiring to hate that much.
The bolded...so Jesus-like
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Old 02-17-2024, 02:56 PM
 
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The bolded...so Jesus-like
You have a problem with a person pointing out logical fallacy of appealing to authority?
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Old 02-17-2024, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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You have a problem with a person pointing out logical fallacy of appealing to authority?
You have a problem with someone pointing out that some of your statements don't sound much like Matthew 22:37–39?
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