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You can call a human an Ape if you like, yet humans have a spirit where as apes do not. Apes will not enter the Kingdom of God, humans that know Christ will.
This more of an opinion. There's absolutely no objective testable evidence that people have a spirit. People are one of the Great Apes no matter how much you want to deny it, there's evidence to support it, the only thing seperating us from other primates is a single chromozone.
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Originally Posted by Campbell34
What would be the point of hundreds of people suddenly over hundreds of years coming up with stories of buried objects in the earth? None of the stories appear to be motivated by religious belief, and a number of the stories have been confirmed by the science of the time. And what evidence do you bring to us that would confirm they were fabricated? Is it that such stories do not agree with your view on Evolution that makes you not want to believe in them? And the dinosaur figurines found at the base of El Toro Mountain in the 1940s were dated to 1200 years. It was the inventor of the Bell Helicoptor that financed that test, and that story was not fabricated for it is well documented. They actually found about 36,000 figurines, and not one of them were the same. No one was duped here, this is called living in reality. Now I know to be a believer in Evolution you need to be shielded from this sort of thing. It is information like this that must be surpressed because of its reality.
That's just gravy that there are dinosaur figurines, emphasis on the figurine. Dinosaur fossils, not figurines, have been dated back to the time periods that scientists say dinosaurs actually lived. There weren't little raptors running around terrorizing the desert people. And also, how do they know that these figurines are dinosaurs, how do they know they aren't idols that the people worshipped. Do they even resemble dinosaurs.
Ya gotta get away from those creationist sites Campbell....No facts are to be found there.
Acambaro figures
There is little doubt that the figurines are of recent date; thermoluminescent tests would be sufficient to establish their approximate date of manufacture. This does not prevent fringe writers from complaining that archaeologists have dismissed them as fakes without taking the trouble to examine them.
What would be the point of hundreds of people suddenly over hundreds of years coming up with stories of buried objects in the earth? None of the stories appear to be motivated by religious belief, and a number of the stories have been confirmed by the science of the time. And what evidence do you bring to us that would confirm they were fabricated? Is it that such stories do not agree with your view on Evolution that makes you not want to believe in them? And the dinosaur figurines found at the base of El Toro Mountain in the 1940s were dated to 1200 years. It was the inventor of the Bell Helicoptor that financed that test, and that story was not fabricated for it is well documented. They actually found about 36,000 figurines, and not one of them were the same. No one was duped here, this is called living in reality. Now I know to be a believer in Evolution you need to be shielded from this sort of thing. It is information like this that must be surpressed because of its reality.
What is the point of "Folk Tales," or "Tall-Tales?" - Entertainment, and the fun people gets out of fooling the naive. What's that saying? A Sucker born every minute? Have you not heard of snake-oil salsemen? What is their point? The onus is on you to prove they are authentic. Not on me to show the folly in these claims. You haven't. And just waving your arm making these absurd proclamation isn't swying anyone's opinion on this. YOu already have made it clear to everyone reading this that you are not a good judge on what is reality and what is not. Yeah, I read the stories on the figurines years ago. You have got to quit promoting this nonsense, it is not helping your case.
This more of an opinion. There's absolutely no objective testable evidence that people have a spirit. People are one of the Great Apes no matter how much you want to deny it, there's evidence to support it, the only thing seperating us from other primates is a single chromozone.
That's just gravy that there are dinosaur figurines, emphasis on the figurine. Dinosaur fossils, not figurines, have been dated back to the time periods that scientists say dinosaurs actually lived. There weren't little raptors running around terrorizing the desert people. And also, how do they know that these figurines are dinosaurs, how do they know they aren't idols that the people worshipped. Do they even resemble dinosaurs.
Last time i looked there is quite a difference between me and an Ape. Regardless of 1 chromosone ( which just 1 in itself had tons of information that is beyond comprehension )
ya so an ape and 2 eyes a nose, a mouth, 2 arms, feet, ect ect so it has alot of the same attributes as a human.
Alot of animals on the earth have the same thing, but do you say that apes are descendants of Giraffes ?
Regardless of how many chromosones, and how much you want to believe that we came from apes ( to fill your need to believe in evolution ) the fact is we ARE DIFFERENT from apes.
We are self aware of our existence, we rely on reason and logic and the ability to make decisions, as to where animals have the inability to do these things, and rely on instincts.
Also id like to note, that if we evolved from apes, then logically evolution must still be going on, because why would it ever stop ? So if evolution is always going on , then we should be seeing half man half apes now somewhere out there that are in their Mid transformation cycle between ape and man. I dont see them around ...
Ya gotta get away from those creationist sites Campbell....No facts are to be found there.
Acambaro figures
There is little doubt that the figurines are of recent date; thermoluminescent tests would be sufficient to establish their approximate date of manufacture. This does not prevent fringe writers from complaining that archaeologists have dismissed them as fakes without taking the trouble to examine them.
I would trust a creationist website IF they gave good arguments, which all the ones I do , Do in fact give good arguements. AIG is not the only website I explore myself, there are many others, but AIG is one that i mostly frequent because of them being the MOST popular website for information , over 1 million hits a month for people looking for information.
You all act like they get their info from nothing.
They have top scientists just as any other place, who have specialized training in certain fields of science, just like your main stream scientist.
The ONLY difference between all these scientists is their presumptions, their personal bias, of how they begin their argument and how they view the evidences.
This more of an opinion. There's absolutely no objective testable evidence that people have a spirit. People are one of the Great Apes no matter how much you want to deny it, there's evidence to support it, the only thing seperating us from other primates is a single chromozone.
That's just gravy that there are dinosaur figurines, emphasis on the figurine. Dinosaur fossils, not figurines, have been dated back to the time periods that scientists say dinosaurs actually lived. There weren't little raptors running around terrorizing the desert people. And also, how do they know that these figurines are dinosaurs, how do they know they aren't idols that the people worshipped. Do they even resemble dinosaurs.
A single chromozone is like saying well Mt. Everest is the only thing blocking the road.
No, dinosaur bones have been dated to some thousands of years not millions, by carbon dating methods. And science has rejected that dating.
And the figurines of El Toro mountain have been dated to 1200 years. And that has been rejected by the believers in Evolution, because that date does not agree with their theory. Some of the figurines of El Toro Mountain show spines on some of the dinosaurs which up to that time science did not even know dinosaurs had.
Last time i looked there is quite a difference between me and an Ape. Regardless of 1 chromosone ( which just 1 in itself had tons of information that is beyond comprehension )
ya so an ape and 2 eyes a nose, a mouth, 2 arms, feet, ect ect so it has alot of the same attributes as a human.
Alot of animals on the earth have the same thing, but do you say that apes are descendants of Giraffes ?
Regardless of how many chromosones, and how much you want to believe that we came from apes ( to fill your need to believe in evolution ) the fact is we ARE DIFFERENT from apes.
We are self aware of our existence, we rely on reason and logic and the ability to make decisions, as to where animals have the inability to do these things, and rely on instincts.
Also id like to note, that if we evolved from apes, then logically evolution must still be going on, because why would it ever stop ? So if evolution is always going on , then we should be seeing half man half apes now somewhere out there that are in their Mid transformation cycle between ape and man. I dont see them around ...
You've just proven a box of hair knows more about evolution than you do. For one, I am tired of this Creationist lie that we came from apes. Evolution doesn't say we came frome apes, it says we came from a common ancestor. Get over it. And other primates, eg gorrillas etc. aren't that much different than humans. They display altruism even revenge. They also have an intellectual capacity which gives them the ability to make decisions, maybe not the same way humans do, although different than other species. And also, no, there would be no uch thing as a half man half ape because it would be unable to breed so it would die off, it would be a negative mutation. Evolution happens in tiny slow gradual changes which over the process of hundreds, thousands, millions depending on the species give rise to new species. Look at hominid ancestory and the very slight differences between each known ancestor. It's irrational to think that there would be such a thing as a half ape half man species because that would be unable to reproduce, that's like a mule.
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A single chromozone is like saying well Mt. Everest is the only thing blocking the road.
No, dinosaur bones have been dated to some thousands of years not millions, by carbon dating methods. And science has rejected that dating.
And the figurines of El Toro mountain have been dated to 1200 years. And that has been rejected by the believers in Evolution, because that date does not agree with their theory. Some of the figurines of El Toro Mountain show spines on some of the dinosaurs which up to that time science did not even know dinosaurs had.
Science uses radiometric dating, which uses potassium argon which is far more accurate than C14 and it's still dated back millions of years. Science doesn't use C14 for date the geologic record, which is part of how they can tell that the dinosaur bones are millions of years old, they test the rock that the fossils are buried in.
The thing with the chromozone is that chimps have 48 chromozones and humans have 46 chromones. 24 from each parent for chimps and 23 from each parent for humans, but somewhere along the evolutionary sequence one of those chromozones got fused together, which has been proven.
Science uses radiometric dating, which uses potassium argon which is far more accurate than C14 and it's still dated back millions of years. Science doesn't use C14 for date the geologic record, which is part of how they can tell that the dinosaur bones are millions of years old, they test the rock that the fossils are buried in.
The thing with the chromozone is that chimps have 48 chromozones and humans have 46 chromones. 24 from each parent for chimps and 23 from each parent for humans, but somewhere along the evolutionary sequence one of those chromozones got fused together, which has been proven.
Science does not use carbon dating to date dinosaur bones. The reason for this is because it is only accurate up to around 30,000 years. And since dinosaur bones are (assumed) to be in the millions of years old such a test would be considered a waste of time. However, at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory scientist did such a test on dinosaur bones and the result showed that such bones were only a few thousand years of age. Other test of dinosaur bones gave dates of 9,000 and 16,000 years. The bottom line is, unless the test agrees with what science and Evolution(assumes) about the age of the dinosaurs, those results are rejected. Here again, hard science is rejected, and replaced with guesses and assumptions.
I would trust a creationist website IF they gave good arguments, which all the ones I do , Do in fact give good arguements. AIG is not the only website I explore myself, there are many others, but AIG is one that i mostly frequent because of them being the MOST popular website for information , over 1 million hits a month for people looking for information.
You all act like they get their info from nothing.
They have top scientists just as any other place, who have specialized training in certain fields of science, just like your main stream scientist.
The ONLY difference between all these scientists is their presumptions, their personal bias, of how they begin their argument and how they view the evidences.
The figurines were found in the 1940s, and at that time dinosaurs were not even known to have spines. Yet the one's of El Toro Mountain did. And the only assumptions being made are by your scientist because they could hardly get one of them to even look at the collection. The lab that did the testing wrote a follow up letter to Andrew Young (inventer of the Bell Helicopter) and confirmed the accuracy of their testing. And
confirmed that they had tested each ceramic no less than 18 times each. However, when they discovered these ceramics came from El Toro mountain they quickly retracted their thermoluminescent, and then claimed that the ceramics gave off regenerated light signals that could be no more than 30 years old. A thermoluminescen technician admitted that no other ceramics existed that produced regenerated light signals. When you have to protect your pet theory, you can come up with all kinds of nonsense.
They also sent more ceramics to Ohio State University, and a team of experts there stated that they could not believe the artifacts were made in modern times. And one of those experts was Dr. Earle R Caley who was one of the worlds most respected archaelolgical chemist, and also present was Dr. Ernest G Ehlers mineralogist in the geology department at Ohio State University. Here again, once they found out that they had authenticated the artifacts of El Toro Mountain, they all lapsed into permanent silence.
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