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ahh.. but they will find that they are born gay. and then you will have to wrap your head around "why does god make people sinners?" Because going off of what you've said.. just thinking about it.. is "lustful".
Is that your prophecy, man will discover people are born gay?
Is that your prophecy, man will discover people are born gay?
And who is in control of your thoughts?
godspeed,
freedom
I had my first crush (or LUST as you put it) on another female when I was 3... can you explain how that's possible freedom??? You can except that it's possible that people are born gay because then you'll have to accept, if you beleive it's a sin, that God made a mistake???
Then there really is no point in discussing it as this discussion is centered around Christianity, The Bible, and God's message concerning it.
This thread isn't in the Christianity forum.
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An outside perspective that you take is irrelevant as nothing I can provide as evidence will satisfy you because
you disregard it all.
Nice cop-out. Evidence is concrete. Evidence isn't subjective. You essentially have no actual evidence to back up your claims, just your beliefs. Of course I would disregard it. It isn't solid evidence. Just your beliefs.
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So what purpose did it serve coming in here and attempting to argue out of context of topic?
What purpose does it serve trying to argue against people using your religion/beliefs? Christianity isn't the only religion out there. There are over 3,000 deities worshipped on this planet. There is no proof of the existence of yours or any other one worshipped.
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If we are to assume that everything is invalid, that religion can't be used and everything is purely a subjective position, then I have no interest in the discussion as it is about as pointless as discussing who thinks which color is the best.
Disregarding religion doesn't mean disregarding objectivity. Enough said.
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There are no wrong answers in such a pointless debate and I think that is why it is so often used.
It's pointless to you because you're forced to use actual evidence instead of a book written 2,000 years ago by sexists and homophobes.
As a matter of fact, I don't care if you think it's a sin or not. The fact is, people are born with different preferences. End of story.
Speak for yourself. I am not in a competition with you.
And i claim nothing ... i make no proclamations about "God" ... i have no interest in proving anything to anyone and i have no interest in being "right".
This is your reality and it absolutely is subjective.
I have no thought of you or anyone burning in hell. It's not my paradigm ... it's yours.
Brainwashed people are not aware that they have been brainwashed.
Humans are quite funky and misguided and all sorts of rotten stuff has happened in the name of Christ.
o.k.
Until your mind is clear and free of all obstruction you are living in a subjective reality. Until you see without prejudice, without preference, without attitude, without belief ... until you see what is ... you are in a subjective reality.
Until you understand the nature of mind, you do not see and you do not know. You believe ... that's cool. There is however life beyond belief.
I am not interested in belief. That is a function of the limited mind.
If, in your subjective reality, you perceive that you will "lay your sins at the feet of the lord", fine.
It's your trip.
And it's not mine.
Not that it matters to anyone but me but being that i'm an obsessive perfectionist, the word "obstruction" that is highlighted in my above post should be obscurations (of mind).
Wow, hot topic this gay thing. Wonder why.
I had my first crush (or LUST as you put it) on another female when I was 3... can you explain how that's possible freedom??? You can except that it's possible that people are born gay because then you'll have to accept, if you beleive it's a sin, that God made a mistake???
So did i, what does that prove? I grew up in the 60's and people didn't wear a whole lot of clothing, i was fascinated by hippies. Those feelings would have kicked in much later if there would have been some parental guidance and protection.
I had my first crush (or LUST as you put it) on another female when I was 3... can you explain how that's possible freedom??? You can except that it's possible that people are born gay because then you'll have to accept, if you beleive it's a sin, that God made a mistake???
God does not promise us an easy life, one with out hardships or temptations. You are free to act on those temptations as you choose. That is the freedom we have.
In fact, Christ even says our life will be harder if we follow God. That we will suffer from the world and its ways for our choice. Even so, we have him as our rock and with him everything is possible with faith. So no temptation, no wrong, no hardship can not be overcome through him.
Also, this is why Christ says the children are so important. We are to strengthen them in Christ so they can grow in God's light.
A child at that age might take something thats not theirs. We show them the wrong of their actions. They might hit someone because they are mad, we teach them the error of it and lead them to God.
Nice cop-out. Evidence is concrete. Evidence isn't subjective. You essentially have no actual evidence to back up your claims, just your beliefs. Of course I would disregard it. It isn't solid evidence. Just your beliefs.
What purpose does it serve trying to argue against people using your religion/beliefs? Christianity isn't the only religion out there. There are over 3,000 deities worshipped on this planet. There is no proof of the existence of yours or any other one worshipped.
Disregarding religion doesn't mean disregarding objectivity. Enough said.
It's pointless to you because you're forced to use actual evidence instead of a book written 2,000 years ago by sexists and homophobes.
As a matter of fact, I don't care if you think it's a sin or not. The fact is, people are born with different preferences. End of story.
As I explained, a pointless debate. God bless!
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So you are saying that Christians would have supported slavery and segregation?
"But wait bigthirsty.. that means you can control your lust." 
So you are claiming that not allowing homosexuals to be ministers is not a form of segregation?