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Tricky D: suiciders are cowards to me coz most of them just thought their problems are unsolvable.
Right.
And you are so certain that every problems is solvable?
If that is the case why are there still people dying a natural death? Wouldn't death be one of the 1st problems mankind would want to have solved?
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STUPID coz facing the unknown unprepared is outright idiotic!
If you want to live a life full of torture than that is YOUR choice.
Claiming that everyone who thinks differently is stupid is.....well stupid.
And egocentric.
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i love myself too much to violate my OWN life/body dude. if you think respecting myself is foolish then.. SOMETHING IS WRONG with you.
I only think of you as foolish because you see yourself as the benchmark for non-foolish behaviour. Which by the way you obviously are not.
omg are you serious about your comment on death?! so.. death is a problem for you?!! if death is a problem to be solved yet again why are there suiciders? im sorry im laughing here. death is inevitable. and thank GOD for that.
NO ONE in their right minds will want to live as a 1000 yr old ..could not walk, eat, hear, see. the beauty of life enough to enjoy it.. not to mention the diseases you accumulated out of old age...
are you freaking serious that you dont wanna die?!! EVERYone at that point in their life above, if ever death is "solved".. would WANNA die... but can not... now THAT is torture.
and imagine the sight of the world where no one dies... there will be shortage of EVERYTHING. have you thought of the "advantage" of death from scenarios i posted above?
a deathless mankind is one serious serious problem to solve... ALL because death was eliminated from the life process cycle. the movie "death becomes her" has scenarios of those. watch it just so you will have an idea of a deathless life cycle.
what torture are you talking about? torture for me is burning eternally in hell or what we catholics believe if you end your own life...
of course that is not the case of non believers of heaven and hell or even GOD HIMSELF.. and no one knows really what happens when you die. thats why i said facing the unknown unprepared is STUPID. it is like going to war with nothing but your combat boots.
omg are you serious about your comment on death?! so.. death is a problem for you?!!
Nope it is not a problem for me since I don't mind it if people choose death over life. You are the 1 who has a problem with people who choose death over life because you claim that every problem can be solved.
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are you freaking serious that you dont wanna die?!!
I guess you should go back to reading class or maybe I'm using words that are too difficult for you to understand?
Because I never claimed that I do not want to die.
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what torture are you talking about? torture for me is burning eternally in hell or what we catholics believe if you end your own life...
Ah, this explains why you prefer life long torture over suicide.
I mean it makes perfect sense, because when life is torture it eventually will end, but once you have died and gone to hell you will suffer for all eternity. That is if there is an afterlife.
So I guess that your fear for eternally burning in hell is greater than a life full of torture.
And you find everyone who does not believe in an afterlife like you do, stupid.
well.. problems has only one end result for me and that is solution. for every problem there is always a solution. the out come depends on the person. in fact suicider's choice of solution to their problem is death...
so you dont see anything wrong with suicide.. how bizarre. oh well. ultimately suicide is immoral because you violated your own life cycle and the natural law.
and your over reacting on life of torture defense... that is why there are pain killers. and i dont get that torture defense.
ultimately suicide is immoral because you violated your own life cycle and the natural law.
Your Catholic programming causes you to believe that suicide equals murdering yourself, which simply is inaccurate.
Murder = robbing a life that is not yours.
Suicide = taking your own life; since the person is only taking his own life it cannot be murder. So suicide cannot mean murdering yourself.
I know we've discussed the topic of assisted suicide when someone is dying and in pain with no chance of a recovery but what about suicide in general? I remember when I was living in Arizona that a lawyer who was drinking and driving, had his ten year old son in the car with him at the time, and then he struck and killed a teenage boy across the street from the High School about a half mile from my house. That man was so overcome with what he had done that he committed suicide. To be honest I'm not sure how I feel about it myself. On the one hand he may have been thinking about how he had destroyed his own life by his actions and couldn't face the consequences of being sent to prison and losing the comfortable life that he was used to. He also may have been so overwhelmed with grief for the dead boy that he felt he didn't deserve to live. No one will ever know what he was thinking. Do you think this was an immoral act to kill himself?
Let me give a different example. There are quite a few kids who get bullied and picked on at school for various reasons and it's not uncommon for a child who just can't take anymore to take his or her own life. Now this example seems a little more clear cut in my opinion. I would just consider it to be a terrible trajedy but would not blame that child or consider the action to be sinful or immoral, they were just unable to endure any more emotional abuse and couldn't see any other way out. Those are two very different examples of a suicide and I'm wondering how you would judge either one or both of them.
I believe that our lives are designed to work off our Karmic debt so that our eternal souls can transmigrate into a higher level on our next incarnation. If you kill yourself before this is complete, you will only relive the experience until it is cleared out. It is a waste of time to kill yourself. However, I do believe that if a person WANTS to kill themselves, for whatever reason, it should be their right to do so. Many, MANY members of my family have committed suicide, it's generally felt that we have the right to choose our own destiny.
So you're saying that suffering only makes you stronger?
Then again, being weak is not immoral and dying sure isn't immoral, so why should suicide be immoral?
Originally Posted by freedom So you're saying that suffering only makes you stronger?
Then again, being weak is not immoral and dying sure isn't immoral, so why should suicide be immoral?
Yes, if we aren't learning and growing in grace and peace, the suffering is the next path of learning. Ever touched a flame? It hurts huh..., bet your more careful around fire now...i sure am..
It is no sin to be weak, but it is weak to sin. Death comes from sin. Overcome sin and death will back down.
godspeed,
freedom
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Wouldn't death be one of the 1st problems mankind would want to have solved? 
If you want to live a life full of torture than that is YOUR choice.
Which by the way you obviously are not.
You are the 1 who has a problem with people who choose death over life because you claim that every problem can be solved.
So you're saying that suffering only makes you stronger?