who is the creator of god (faith, believing, Lord, heaven)

[ShanaBrown]

[quote]There are only two options--either god was created or always existed. If he always existed, then it's possible for things to always exist, and that could be the case for a godless universe, too.[/QUOTE

If nothing comes from nothing, then something must have always existed...the Father. God bless.

[fatmancomics]

Man is the creator of god; be it Allah, Zeus, Yaweh, Elohim, Quetalquoatl or Siva. All gods are created by the educated so that the ignorant will do their bidding.
For example, if you believe in the stories of the bible or at least think that they were based on real people then let's talk about two of the most important; Moses and Jesus.
Moses had a people and no way to lead them so he created a religion while Jesus had a religion but no people so he made up his group out of the ones already rejected by the church. Both men found a way to get a group to take up their cause and both did it by convincing the groups that god had chosen them to speak for him. Just like the pharaos and the Roman leaders before them claimed that they were god incarnate, so did Jesus. Isn't it funny how even in contemporary times leaders try to convince their countrymen that it was god's will for them to become leaders?

[winterscorpion]

Originally Posted by fatmancomics

Man is the creator of god; be it Allah, Zeus, Yaweh, Elohim, Quetalquoatl or Siva. All gods are created by the educated so that the ignorant will do their bidding.
For example, if you believe in the stories of the bible or at least think that they were based on real people then let's talk about two of the most important; Moses and Jesus.
Moses had a people and no way to lead them so he created a religion while Jesus had a religion but no people so he made up his group out of the ones already rejected by the church. Both men found a way to get a group to take up their cause and both did it by convincing the groups that god had chosen them to speak for him. Just like the pharaos and the Roman leaders before them claimed that they were god incarnate, so did Jesus. Isn't it funny how even in contemporary times leaders try to convince their countrymen that it was god's will for them to become leaders?

Ok, then who created man? And please dont give me the Evolution theory because if thats the case, where did the woman come from?

Just for the record, I am neither weak minded, oppressed or in such a dire situation that I need to believe in anything to keep me above water. I believe in God because he DOES exist whether you choose to believe or not.

Peace
Winter

[Movie Lover]

I made God!

[Roxolan]

Originally Posted by winterscorpion

Ok, then who created man? And please dont give me the Evolution theory because if thats the case, where did the woman come from?

Please tell me you're joking. In any other forum, there would be no doubt that you are, but here... I'm not so sure.

[Movie Lover]

If man created man, then man creating women would be a major disaster. Look at women now, not even worth making.

[Spindle]

Originally Posted by Movie Lover

If man created man, then man creating women would be a major disaster. Look at women now, not even worth making.

If man created woman, then he forgot a mute button

[moonsun]

I tell non-muslims that Allah created everything in this universe. They say to me who created Allah ? How can Allah have been there since the beginning ?
How can i answer them ?
Islam Question and Answer - The kuffaar ask who created Allaah

[Roxolan]

Originally Posted by Islam Question and Answer

Who created the creator of the creator? Then, who created the creator of the creator of the creator?! And so on, ad infinitum. This is irrational and impossible.
All of creation goes back to the Creator Who created all things. No one created Him; He created everything other than Himself. This is what makes sense and is logical.

Logical to you, maybe. To me, "there is something that has no origin" makes no more sense than "everything was created by something else, onwards to infinity".

Originally Posted by Islam Question and Answer

Whoever encounters anything like that, let him say, ‘Amantu Billaah (I believe in Allaah).’” [...]

until he says to him, ‘Who created your Lord?’ When it reaches that stage, let him seek refuge with Allaah [say A’oodhu Billaahi min ash-shaytaan ir-rajeem = I seek refuge with Allaah from the accursed Shaytaan] and stop thinking about it.” [...]

Where this question comes from – from the Shaytaan;
How to deal with it, which is:
to stop pursuing these thoughts and these tricks of the Shaytaan
to say, “I believe in Allaah and His Messengers”
to seek refuge with Allaah from the Shaytaan.
It was also reported that one should spit drily three times to one’s left, and recite Qul Huwa Allaahu ahad.

So, when someone asks you a perfectly reasonable question, you are supposed to basically turn off your brain, put your fingers in your ears and sing very loud until this person (obviously a tool of Shaytaan) goes away?
And you're wondering why your religion doesn't attract more critical thinkers...


(oh, and about the "spit drily three times to your left" bit)

[sanspeur]

Sort of like "Don't tug on Superman's cape, Don't spit into the wind", huh?


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