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Old 11-09-2008, 09:17 AM
 
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Ok, please explain to me why, in 2008, well after the 1st amendment has been established, and we have progressed to the point that we don't burn witches, plenty of straight people get a civil union without meeting the "sin free" religious list of pre marital rules. As a matter of fact, we don't have any criteria for straight people getting married that we enforce legally. So, why, is it ok to vote against some ones beliefs if they are gay? If they believe being gay isn't a sin against the god they believe in, and believe they are allowed by their beliefs to get married, why are they different in the eyes of our countries laws? We don't ban any other religious or not religious couples from "marriage"? We allow free union between murders, fornicators, condom users, pedophiles, etc..... All the other rules are broken, and marriage still lives on except for the homosexuals. Is being gay the biggest sin of all or something. And what if the homosexuals are Aeithist?

I'm not gay but I have always been curious about why people care, especially scary to me is the fact that a religious majority can vote to take some ones rights away and still win in this country that has the 1st amendment in place. Marriage has changed over the years, so thats not an argument, we don't arrange them anymore, etc.... So give it to me people, let me know the logic in this one.

 
Old 11-09-2008, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Urbana, IL
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Ok, please explain to me why, in 2008, well after the 1st amendment has been established, and we have progressed to the point that we don't burn witches, plenty of straight people get a civil union without meeting the "sin free" religious list of pre marital rules. As a matter of fact, we don't have any criteria for straight people getting married that we enforce legally. So, why, is it ok to vote against some ones beliefs if they are gay? If they believe being gay isn't a sin against the god they believe in, and believe they are allowed by their beliefs to get married, why are they different in the eyes of our countries laws? We don't ban any other religious or not religious couples from "marriage"? We allow free union between murders, fornicators, condom users, pedophiles, etc..... All the other rules are broken, and marriage still lives on except for the homosexuals. Is being gay the biggest sin of all or something. And what if the homosexuals are Aeithist?

I'm not gay but I have always been curious about why people care, especially scary to me is the fact that a religious majority can vote to take some ones rights away and still win in this country that has the 1st amendment in place. Marriage has changed over the years, so thats not an argument, we don't arrange them anymore, etc.... So give it to me people, let me know the logic in this one.

There are many facets to your question. IMO the attempt by religious groups to coerce or influence legislation is absurd. Few if any follow to the letter the precepts of Christ, Allah, or God in whatever form one worships,
; or even the true convictions of their own conscience! Yet there is a push to tell other's how to live! What absurdity! IMO one's time would be better spent Improving Oneself and not creating enmity between what the Lord created
 
Old 11-09-2008, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Montrose, CA
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If gay marriage is allowed, it will crush the holy institute of marriage. After all, the instant a gay couple gets married, a heterosexual couple is forced to divorce because of the imbalance in the universe. That's how powerful "teh ghey" is.
 
Old 11-09-2008, 04:35 PM
 
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if gay marriage is allowed, it will crush the holy institute of marriage. After all, the instant a gay couple gets married, a heterosexual couple is forced to divorce because of the imbalance in the universe. That's how powerful "teh ghey" is.

Lol
 
Old 11-09-2008, 07:28 PM
 
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Thanks for commenting. I am still wondering what the thought process is that went into this decission.
What is the reason to prevent gays from marriage in the eyes of the state? Anyone out there vote to ban gay marriage? Care to share why you did. Why you thought it was your business to control the marriage choices of another individual? I can't imagine why this is an issue at the voting booth at all?
I really want to know, I won't bash your answer, I really just want a view inside your thought process.
Thanks
 
Old 11-09-2008, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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Thanks for commenting. I am still wondering what the thought process is that went into this decission.
What is the reason to prevent gays from marriage in the eyes of the state? Anyone out there vote to ban gay marriage? Care to share why you did. Why you thought it was your business to control the marriage choices of another individual? I can't imagine why this is an issue at the voting booth at all?
I really want to know, I won't bash your answer, I really just want a view inside your thought process.
Thanks
I am against it because God is against it. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah as an example to all societies that embrace this sin. The mere act of homosexuality itself is no different than adultery or fornication or any other sex sins, but when a nation endorses and promotes this sin, the wrath of God is nigh. History shows us that nations that embraced homosexuality were destroyed soon thereafter. God doesn't hold the USA to a different standard than all the other nations that went before us. The passage of Prop 8 gives me hope, but with our leftist-indoctrinated young people and the direction this country is drifting, it will soon be our turn.

Other than this reason, there is the slippery slope argument among others. Right now, everybody has the same marriage rights. A man can marry a woman and a woman can marry a man. Once we redefine it to satisfy one fetish, there would be no logical reason to stop at that.
 
Old 11-09-2008, 08:03 PM
 
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Churches are the ones behind these "marriage protection amendments". See the link below on all the ways churches can manipulate government. You'll need to click links within the page to the actual documents. This is official webpage to "ban gay marriage" amendement in FL.

They claim that churches can push these amendments. but can't support or endorse a candidate. However, one of those links advises the churches not to worry because no churches have lost their tax-exempt status by endorsing a candidate. This is very manipulative and shady. So very Christian of them.

I personally believe churches should have their hands severed from anything to do with government. If these people continue to tick off large groups of people, one day they may find themselves in the voting minority. I say if they put marriage in such high esteem, they should not be allowed to divorced, and we know how that will go over.

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Old 11-09-2008, 08:18 PM
 
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I am against it because God is against it. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah as an example to all societies that embrace this sin. The mere act of homosexuality itself is no different than adultery or fornication or any other sex sins, but when a nation endorses and promotes this sin, the wrath of God is nigh.
What aren't conservatives pushing amendments on divorce and adultery with the same venom they throw at gays? After all these are gods laws and also deal with marriage and sex? They also affect the children too. See the hypocrisy?

One can quote the Bible all day, but you are inhibiting equal rights to people because of bigotry and religion. What will be next? Will you vote on an amendment to make it criminal offensive to be a Jew? After all they killed Jesus. How about throw all people in jail that don't believe in Jesus? Yeah we got the first amendment, but obviously that doesn't mean anything today.

See how ridiculous this can get? Ridiculous today, but it's tomorrow I fear.

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Old 11-09-2008, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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What aren't conservatives pushing amendments on divorce and adultery with the same venom you throw at gays? After all these are gods laws and also deal with marriage and sex? See the hypocrisy?

One can quote the Bible all day, but you are inhibiting equal rights to people because of bigotry. What will be next? Will you vote on an amendment to make it criminal offensive to be a Jew? After all they killed Jesus.

See how ridiculous this can get?
If you look back in history, the churches were pushing for not allowing no fault divorce, and punishing adultry.
Secular law took the issue out of their hands and made no fault divorce, "if it feels good do it" allowances.
The hypocrisy of believers has never been a good excuse for inaction.

godspeed,

freedom
 
Old 11-09-2008, 09:18 PM
 
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If you look back in history, the churches were pushing for not allowing no fault divorce, and punishing adultry.
Secular law took the issue out of their hands and made no fault divorce, "if it feels good do it" allowances.
The hypocrisy of believers has never been a good excuse for inaction.

godspeed,

freedom
Church agents also used to burn people at the stake, and kill them during the Inquisition. Would you like to bring back those elements as well?
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