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Old 12-30-2008, 10:12 AM
 
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Who in History was

Born December 25,
of a virgin birth
praised by 3 kings,
preformed miracles
was crucified and buried 3 days
resurrected

Was it
Jesus
Attis
Horus
Dionysus
Mithra
More than one or all the above?


Surprise, it was all of them. Interesting that much of the traditions of theology can be traced to astrology. This may be interesting to some and threatening for others. Interesting none the less.


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Old 12-30-2008, 10:14 AM
 
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weak
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Old 12-30-2008, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Tulsa
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Who in History was

Born December 25,
of a virgin birth
praised by 3 kings,
preformed miracles
was crucified and buried 3 days
resurrected

Was it
Jesus
Attis
Horus
Dionysus
Mithra
More than one or all the above?


Surprise, it was all of them. Interesting that much of the traditions of theology can be traced to astrology. This may be interesting to some and threatening for others. Interesting none the less.


YouTube - Zeitgeist: The Movie - Full, Final version
Obviously I'm not going to spend two hours of my life watching that, but just to be factual, Jesus was probably NOT born Dec. 25, and no one knows how many magi came to see Him.
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:21 PM
 
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I'd like to see the amount of textual proof for any of those legends that we have for Jesus.

There is less evidence for the existence of Alexander the Great than Jesus.
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Montrose, CA
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There is less evidence for the existence of Alexander the Great than Jesus.
Obviously you're holding up the bible as proof of the validity of the bible.

Weak.
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Old 12-30-2008, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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I'd like to see the amount of textual proof for any of those legends that we have for Jesus.

There is less evidence for the existence of Alexander the Great than Jesus.
There is no evidence for the existence of Jesus outside of the New Testament and the first mention that such a man even existed was recorded almost forty years after his supposed death.
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Old 12-30-2008, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Tulsa
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There is no evidence for the existence of Jesus outside of the New Testament and the first mention that such a man even existed was recorded almost forty years after his supposed death.
That's not true. You can read Josephus or Tacitus also, both are very well respected.
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Old 12-30-2008, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Western Cary, NC
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That's not true. You can read Josephus or Tacitus also, both are very well respected.
They are also known to be forged in the middle ages by a Catholic Monk.
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Old 12-30-2008, 05:40 PM
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There are two references in Josephus on Jesus, the one directly concerning Jesus has come to be known as the Testimonium Flavianum. These passages appear in The Antiquities of the Jews, written in the year 93 by the Jewish historian Josephus. All extant copies of this work, which all derive from Christian sources, even the recently recovered Arabic version, contain the two passages about Jesus. The authenticity of the Testimonium Flavianum has been disputed since the 17th century, and by the mid 18th century the consensus view was that it was a forgery.

Josephus' other major work, The Jewish War, makes no mention of Jesus.

Tacitus text itself demonstrates that it may not be such a good resource for Christians to refer to since the text derides Christians and Christianity.

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Old 12-30-2008, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Tulsa
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There are two references in Josephus on Jesus, the one directly concerning Jesus has come to be known as the Testimonium Flavianum. These passages appear in The Antiquities of the Jews, written in the year 93 by the Jewish historian Josephus. All extant copies of this work, which all derive from Christian sources, even the recently recovered Arabic version, contain the two passages about Jesus. The authenticity of the Testimonium Flavianum has been disputed since the 17th century, and by the mid 18th century the consensus view was that it was a forgery.

Josephus' other major work, The Jewish War, makes no mention of Jesus.
So do you always quote the Wikipedia? Come on, you can do better than that. You trying to see what Wikipedia has to say about Tacitus?
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