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My faith in God, and understanding of God is clear and unmovable.
Again, what is your solution? What hope do you have for our world?
my answer has been that there is no god that is looking over us, answering prayer, etc. we, as human beings, have to do the best we can to help each other.
my answer has been that there is no god that is looking over us, answering prayer, etc. we, as human beings, have to do the best we can to help each other.
So any explanation is futile...why even bother asking then?
my answer has been that there is no god that is looking over us, answering prayer, etc. we, as human beings, have to do the best we can to help each other.
Yes! By doing the best to help we can accomplish more than by the folly of prayer and expecting miracles.
By dumping the myth of religion human progress would make the greatest forward leap in the history of civilization.
Read through the rest of the thread...yes, I do know.
I understand why God has allowed humans to dig themselves/ourselves into the hole that we are in. God created perfect conditions for humans...and yes, Troop, He did give us free will. A question of God's sovereignty was raised by Satan in heaven. Humans followed Satan in this rebellion. Essentially, God said, "Fine you think you can do it on your own...give it a try". He took away the the perfect conditions...let mankind and the earth age without His maintainance. The atrocities that we see today worldwide are the direct result of humans, not God. God will step in and set things straight, restore the perfect conditions. The "Lord's Prayer" says it all...the heavenly kingdom is the only solution. When? No one knows. I'm sure He knows when the time is right. If He stepped in too early perhaps the original rebellion, the question of God's sovereignty, would not be answered suffiently.
I don't think any explanation from us believers would be acceptable to someone who has their mind made up about the existence of God.
What's your solution? What is your solution for this little child and all the other problems?
Yes, the Jehovah's Witnesses have taught this belief for so many years. Back in the 1930's, 40's, 50's, 60's.... They believed that the question of God's sovereignty HAD been answered, that relief for the world was 'imminent', just around the corner. For nearly 70 years they taught that the generation that saw 1914 would see the end ('Millions now living will never die' was a famous saying back in the 1920's) Of course that is now an 'Old truth' or as it is commonly known, an untruth.
My question is, with millions born every day into suffering, hardship and death, what the .... is He waiting for? What else needs to be proved?
Any compassionate, caring, decent, honest, loving person would have said 'Enough' long ago.
My question is, with millions born every day into suffering, hardship and death, what the .... is He waiting for? What else needs to be proved?
Any compassionate, caring, decent, honest, loving person would have said 'Enough' long ago.
If God stopped at Adam and Eve with this "punishment" would it have been a sufficient amount of time? Would humans have learned and never repeated the error they did? Satan challenged that humans could do it without God. God is giving sufficient time to pass to show what happens when humans become fruitful, fill the earth, and rule themselves.
If I said a particular date that God would step in, that would be one day too late for the person who suffered the day before. We'd have to back it up all the way to Adam and Eve. Only God knows when sufficient time and occurences have passed to prove once in for all times that Satan is wrong. If God stepped in too early, the argument could always resurface that we didn't have enough time to try this or that form of govt, or the technology didn't support a global society, etc...
If I said a particular date that God would step in, that would be one day too late for the person who suffered the day before. We'd have to back it up all the way to Adam and Eve. Only God knows when sufficient time and occurences have passed to prove once in for all times that Satan is wrong. If God stepped in too early, the argument could always resurface that we didn't have enough time to try this or that form of govt, or the technology didn't support a global society, etc...
That makes sense. The problem with this reasoning is that it leaves two choices to God:
- Stopping it all right after Adam & Eve ("To hell with it, I've got nothing to prove to Satan").
- Leaving us alone forever - that is, until our race eventually becomes extinct. Otherwise, it could always be said to be "too early".
I am genuinely curious to see if anyone here who has any measure of faith in any kind of God can explain this. Lets not even think about the holocaust or other mass genocides, all the wars carried out in the name of religion, the murder, rape etc. JUST EXPLAIN THIS PICTURE:
This picture, by noted photographer Kevin Carter, won the Pulitzer Prize in 1994. He took it during a famine in Sudan, Africa. The girl in the picture, near death, is attempting to crawl to a United Nations Food camp located a kilometre away. The vulture behind her is waiting for her to die, so it can eat her, as vultures do when they sense animals near death.
Photographer Kevin Carter left the area immediately after taking the picture, and workers at the United Nations food camp said that on that day no girl of that size came into the camp after the time the photo was taken. We can rationally assume that this child met the fate of so many other children in Africa: starvation and a slow agonizing death. 3 months after the photo was taken, Kevin Carter committed suicide, blaming the "agony and guilt" he felt over doing nothing to help the girl.
SO my question is: IF A SO-CALLED GOD ALLOWS THIS, WHY SHOULD ANYONE WORSHIP OR EVEN RESPECT THAT GOD?!
Make no mistake about it, this kind of thing is happening EVERY. SINGLE. DAY around the world. Innocent children are dying ever single day.
I Would like to hear a logical answer from anyone. "God works in mysterious ways" is not an answer. How about real logic, perhaps by someone with a real college education? Just tell me why I should not just believe in, but worship and obey any God who allows this torture of the innocent.
ANYONE?
Survival of the fittest, to the atheist, and apathy of man to step up and do his own work, like taking care of his neighbor.
It's to easy to blame God, when man is causing this. The back drop is a war torn (Man), Greedy (Man), Evil (Man) free will granted humanity. Wanting God to step in and micro manage.
If He (God) changed His ways, and we lived in Paradise... we would blame Him (God) for not letting us learn and grow on our own accord....FREEWILL.
It was a bigger issue than fruit. It was the one and only law and they willfully disobeyed.
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I am genuinely curious to see if anyone here who has any measure of faith in any kind of God can explain this. Lets not even think about the holocaust or other mass genocides, all the wars carried out in the name of religion, the murder, rape etc. JUST EXPLAIN THIS PICTURE:
