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Old 02-03-2009, 07:16 PM
 
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The guilt trip that religion teaches definately made me question what I was believing and why. Finally I ended up leaving religion behind, just too fear based and it didn't make sense.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:57 PM
 
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Not all churches revolve around guilt. My own church does not focus on guilt very much at all. We focus far more on love, God's love for us, our love for God, our love for our neighbors, and how to put it all into action on our daily lives

I do believe that excessive guilt is counterproductive when it comes to religion, not just religion really, but all things. Guilt and subsequently fear as a means of enforcing compliance is simply manipulation coming from those who are afraid of losing control of their power, position, etc.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Everybody is going to hurt you, you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for-B Marley
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Not all churches revolve around guilt. My own church does not focus on guilt very much at all. We focus far more on love, God's love for us, our love for God, our love for our neighbors, and how to put it all into action on our daily lives

I do believe that excessive guilt is counterproductive when it comes to religion, not just religion really, but all things. Guilt and subsequently fear as a means of enforcing compliance is simply manipulation coming from those who are afraid of losing control of their power, position, etc.
"...very much..." LOL Well I think any amount of guilt is counter productive. If you believe that Christ's sacrifice was sufficient, there's no need for guilt. Guilt doesn't get you to heaven, you can't take it with you, so it's useless. Being a Christian who holds on to guilt is like saying you believe Jesus died for us but just incase that's not enough, better hang onto this guilt stuff.

ETA: That's not saying to not have a conscience. It's saying know you're forgiven. If you fall on your face, get back up and start again, but don't stay down and wallow in it.
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Old 02-03-2009, 10:54 PM
 
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If guilt is viewed for what it is, the Holy Spirit telling you what you doing or have done is sin, then it is a wonderfull tool in your moral development. You are also correct that Jesus did pay the price for that sin already but if you ignore the guilt how do you repent?
For any that believe as stated above that there arent evil people in this world, you are sadly mistaken.
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Old 02-03-2009, 11:36 PM
 
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If guilt is viewed for what it is, the Holy Spirit telling you what you doing or have done is sin, then it is a wonderfull tool in your moral development. You are also correct that Jesus did pay the price for that sin already but if you ignore the guilt how do you repent?
For any that believe as stated above that there arent evil people in this world, you are sadly mistaken.
See now I don't agree that guilt is the Holy Spirit telling me what I'm doing or not doing is a sin and to that end it plays no part in my moral development. That it does for you is fine by me, your choice entirely to make but to allude that people are incapable of providing their own moral compass seperate from a "higher power" is kind of offensive. Just as is saying that all those who do believe in a higher power are only guided in what is right or wrong, what is sin and what is not because of their belief in a higher power, that without their faith they would not be able to discern the difference. I don't think that's correct either.

As it turns out the evil people in this world, both believers and non-believers, seem to be able to justify their actions without feeling any guilt whatsoever so I'm not really sure why religion feels the need to try to guilt good people in to behaving "better" when they are already and it seemingly has no effect on the evil people anyway.
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Old 02-03-2009, 11:37 PM
 
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Yes, yes it did.
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:41 AM
 
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I'm a moderate Catholic who attends 2 out of 3 Sundays. I have gone and heard homilies that were good and homilies that almost put me to sleep.

Lately, I've been put out by the "guilt trip" that comes from religious institutions. Growing up, I remember the joke "Jews invented guilt and Catholics made it an art form." Some Protestants and fundamentalists exercise the "guilt trip" via dogmatic Bible quoting. Regardless, the message seems to be that people are inherently bad and that's not what I want to hear. In fact, I think it's a pretty rancid message.

What about you? Tired of the "guilt trip?"
Guilt and conviction kinda "feel" the same but move us in different directions. Guilt is the evil ones work and conviction is the work of the Holy Spirit.

Guilt makes you think...... I'm not good enough and can mire us in emotional
concrete.
Conviction makes you think... why am I doing this! I know it's wrong and then convinces you to do better.

You don't have to be a believer, to feel either.
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Old 02-04-2009, 11:36 AM
 
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Only one thing can make me feel guilt and that is the HS who lets me know how much I may have hurt someone when I was angry, etc..People of religion do not affect me one way or another since I finally stepped out of religion and in step with God
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