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Old 02-15-2009, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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a) Prayers don't get answered.
b) It will do you a lot of good to get excommunicated from your church.
c) There's no God.


GOOD LUCK ANYWAY!

Maybe when you realize the above things, your life will be much better.
What is luck? Can you trust your soul with it?

godspeed,

freedom

 
Old 02-15-2009, 10:23 PM
 
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bchris02,

Would you please consider contacting Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
No, that would be the worst thing in the world to do. They are quite known to do much damage and even some of the founding members came out and stated that the org did tons of damage to those it counseled.
 
Old 02-15-2009, 10:24 PM
 
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Why would a loving God make me suffer like this? I can live a lonely life of celibacy (which is what most ex-gays do), but I can't make heterosexual desires happen that just aren't there. To try and fake it would only put me in position to be a Ted Haggard and thats the last thing I want with my life. I have prayed and prayed and prayed for God to make me straight. Every revival, every church camp, every sunday school when prayer requests were asked I asked for an unspoken, every sunday morning I went to the alter and begged God to make me straight, and it hasnt' happened. If this is God's purpose for me in life...for me to be completely alone, what point is there in even living? I know God works in mysterious ways and there are some things we won't understand on this side of death, but when I think about my life in 30 years...my family will be gone. Who will I have in this world then? I am already in my mid-20s, I still have time left but I am starting to realize that time will eventually run out and sooner than I ever expected when I was a teenager and thought I had all the time in the world. Friends can only take us so far - we were meant as humans to have intimate companionship.
bchris02, having talked with many young gay men and women who have come out to their families, the consensus among them was: If you have good reason to think your family will react very negatively, do not tell them until you have a solid support structure - other gay people/ a counsellor/ a support group / a few good friends etc.

I know it is well-intentioned of some people to say that your family/parents might surprise you and be accepting. That might be true amongst some families, but more often than not that isn't the reality in cases like yours given what you have said about your family/upbringing and especially your father. Being rejected by family can be devasting and is often the main cause of depression, anxiety and sometimes suicide amongst young homosexuals.

Having a good support structure to fall back on makes a big difference before you come out to your family (if you ever do). Being able to talk to others in a similar situation to yourself, really does help. If you are feeling isolated or depressed, there are GLBT Telephone Helplines in most states- usually advertised on the internet. They can help you either with counselling/resources or just the names of a few places/groups you can go to for support.

Take care of yourself...
 
Old 02-15-2009, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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No, that would be the worst thing in the world to do. They are quite known to do much damage and even some of the founding members came out and stated that the org did tons of damage to those it counseled.
Are you saying that there has been no success in this group helping people?

godspeed,

freedom
 
Old 02-15-2009, 10:44 PM
 
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Are you saying that there has been no success in this group helping people?

godspeed,

freedom
Did I state that? But now that you are asking I'm sure they have helped to brainwash folks to live their lives as a lie. So yeah there has been 'success' stories. Here's a nice ringing endorsement by some of the former leaders apologizing for bringing harm to it's members:

Former Leaders Of Ex-Gay Ministry Apologize For "Bringing Harm" | Firstcoastnews.com | U.S. and World News

Some good reading:
Anti-gay ministries are a fraud that promote homophobia and self-hatred

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Old 02-15-2009, 11:05 PM
 
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You have to remember that the gay community is completely different than any other community.

Casual sex is the norm. Dating and relationships are rare and purely for sexual reasons when a relationship does happen to form. Friendship is rare amongst gays. Internalized homophobia is a problem. Homosexual sex is the leading cause of contracting the AIDS virus. Most homosexual men meet at bars and nightclubs. The gay community isn't peaches and roses by any means. It is a sordid community of decadence, not because they are attracted to the same sex but because of their behaviors and lack of morals.

I inform you all on this topic with the utmost respect towards the gay community. I realize the community has suffered through decades of oppression. I recognize that many gay people were oppressed individually and treated with discrimination and bias their entire lives. That is wrong and unfair. It is hard to be a great community when so many want the community to just vanish.

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Old 02-15-2009, 11:11 PM
 
Location: LAT: 40.77 LON: 73.98
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Casual sex is the norm. Dating and relationships are rare and purely for sexual reasons when a relationship happens to form. Homosexual sex is the leading cause of contracting the AIDS virus. Most homosexual men meet at bars and nightclubs. The gay community isn't peaches and roses by any means. It is a sordid community of decadence, not because they are attracted to the same sex but because of their behaviors and lack of morals.
Sounds a lot like the many heterosexuals in Las Vegas, Miami or Amsterdam.
 
Old 02-15-2009, 11:17 PM
 
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It "sounds like", however, why would you want to be a part of that sordid mess? I'm just pointing out reality.


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Sounds a lot like the many heterosexuals in Las Vegas, Miami or Amsterdam.
 
Old 02-15-2009, 11:34 PM
 
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It "sounds like", however, why would you want to be a part of that sordid mess? I'm just pointing out reality.
I am already. I'm part of the human race where you can find a 'sordid mess' everywhere and I'm not even gay.
 
Old 02-16-2009, 12:09 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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You have to remember that the gay community is completely different than any other community.

Casual sex is the norm. Dating and relationships are rare and purely for sexual reasons when a relationship does happen to form. Friendship is rare amongst gays. Internalized homophobia is a problem. Homosexual sex is the leading cause of contracting the AIDS virus. Most homosexual men meet at bars and nightclubs. The gay community isn't peaches and roses by any means. It is a sordid community of decadence, not because they are attracted to the same sex but because of their behaviors and lack of morals.

I inform you all on this topic with the utmost respect towards the gay community. I realize the community has suffered through decades of oppression. I recognize that many gay people were oppressed individually and treated with discrimination and bias their entire lives. That is wrong and unfair. It is hard to be a great community when so many want the community to just vanish.
I don't know where you are from, but you are certainly not describing the life style of my gay friends, or any of the gay people I know...The people I know have relationships like everybody else. Some are very long term committed partnerships and some not so long...One couple I know very well have been together for 26 years, something I didn't manage to do. They are people to be admired, not slurred and type cast the way you have done.
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