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Man was created perfect, with a free will. It was not a "oops" kind of mistake in Eden. It was a willful and purposeful disregard of what God told them not to do. God had one rule .. don't eat fruit from one tree. They had a choice to obey or not obey. They willfully disobeyed God. That's what God punished and why we are now imperfect. Man chose to do things his own way, knowing the consequence of such an action, and now wants to blame it all on God.
So we alive now are imperfect because the original people were perfect but screwed it up. How is it fair for Adam's descendants to be born imperfect and thereby liable to damnation? Strange justice your god has.
The only time God ordered the slaying of all men, women, and children was before the Flood and later in Canaan... because these people are nephilim (or giants). They are a breed of "counterfeit humans" created by Satan who wants to play God. Even now the nephilim breed is being reproduced in the millions through abductions of humans by the so called "aliens" in their UFO's! It sounds so incredible but the Bible foretold the earth will again be over run with these beings in the end time and they have a very important role to play in the rule of the Antichrist!
The only time God ordered the slaying of all men, women, and children was before the Flood and later in Canaan... because these people are nephilim (or giants). They are a breed of "counterfeit humans" created by Satan who wants to play God. Even now the nephilim breed is being reproduced in the millions through abductions of humans by the so called "aliens" in their UFO's! It sounds so incredible but the Bible foretold the earth will again be over run with these beings in the end time and they have a very important role to play in the rule of the Antichrist!
Wait, was that in the Bible or the Lord of the Rings?
Please provide the scripture(s) you are referencing so I may respond.
Killing of children? Well, God directly killed children when he had the flood and when he destroyed Sodom and Gomorah. Here's some more for ya:
Here God smoked a bunch of kids for mocking a bald guy:
Kings 2:23-24
23And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
24And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
Here God ordered that his followers kill all the boys in a rival village, and all the women, except the virgins, who they should keep for their own fun:
Numbers 31:1-18:
"...And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses, and they slew all the [adult] males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones...And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses...And Moses was angry with the officers of the host And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Ba'laam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
Here God Kill all the firstborn of everyone in Egypt. Thanks God!
Exodus 12:29-30: "And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead."
Here God orders the people to kill women if they get married and it's later discovered that they weren't virgins.
Deuteronomy 22:20-21
20But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
21Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the ***** in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.
How many kids do you think the Lord killed when he ordered this?
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
More God and Genocide
Deuteronomy 7:1-2:
"... the seven nations greater and mightier than thou; And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them."
Joshua 6:21:
"And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword."
Joshua 10:40-41:
"So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. And Joshua smote them from Kadesh-barnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon."
Really, the entire book of Joshua is about God ordering Genocide of any non believers. They could either agree to be slaves to Joshua, or he would kill them all, (except he would often keep the young virgin girls for a little fun for the troops.) I could give you five or six more examples, if I weren't already bored.
1 Samuel 27:8-9:
"And David and his men went up, and invaded the Geshurites, and the Gezrites, and the Amalekites ... And David smote the land, and left neither man nor woman alive, and took away the sheep, and the oxen, and the asses, and the camels, and the apparel. And David saved neither man nor woman alive"
In this beautiful little Psalm, we sing to God and ask him to bless those who would bash Babylonian babies against stones in an act of mass infanticide.
Psalm 13:8-8
8O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
9Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
Thats the God you are worshiping. He has committed far more crimes than Hitler, Milosivic, Kim Il Sung, etc. He has intentionally killed more innocent children than any other known person in history.
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Originally Posted by mams1559
And what is your basis, your foundation, for what you consider right and wrong? Where does this knowledge come from? What you consider right and wrong may be different than my idea of right and wrong, and wholly different that what God deems as right and wrong.
Well, lets just start with the intentional killing of little children if they happen to be boys, and the capture and rape of little girls if they are virgins. All because their parents didn't want to be slaves.
If I did that, would you say I had committed a sin?
The only time God ordered the slaying of all men, women, and children was before the Flood and later in Canaan... because these people are nephilim (or giants). They are a breed of "counterfeit humans" created by Satan who wants to play God. Even now the nephilim breed is being reproduced in the millions through abductions of humans by the so called "aliens" in their UFO's! It sounds so incredible but the Bible foretold the earth will again be over run with these beings in the end time and they have a very important role to play in the rule of the Antichrist!
I used to buy into this argument when I was a Christian. IT REALLY sounded great, but there were always flaws with it I did not want to admit.
1. If the flood was designed to rid the earth of the nephilims and their seed (the giants), why are they around again in Canaan ages later.
2. If they popped up again mysteriously, doesn't this rove the bible's god is completely incompetent and cannot keep his angels under control?
3. If Lucifer truly became Satan and Lucifer took other rebellious angels along with him who are now demons who freely roam the earth torturing people, who are the bound angels in Tartarus (Hades) right now? Two sets of rebellious angels?
It all fits into God's plan. We may not understand it now but in the future it will all makes sense to us. It sounds incredible but Satan can't do anything without God's permission, if it fits into his plan then he allowed Satan to do it. God is in full control of the events that will soon come to pass.
As of the present time some fallen angels are allowed to roam the earth, they are the ones influencing the rulers of many nations and also the reproduction of the nephilim who will one day rule with the Antichrist and the False Prophet.
In Rev 9, On the 5th Trumpet there was a war in heaven and Satan is cast down to earth with the KEY to the Bottomless Pit. This is where the most vicious fallen angels are imprisoned. Satan released millions of them to take over the bodies of the nephilim! Their leader named Abaddon will possess the body of the Prince and he becomes the Antichrist! There will be a reign of terror for 5 mos. and nations will yield to his rule.
Killing of children? Well, God directly killed children when he had the flood and when he destroyed Sodom and Gomorah. Here's some more for ya: ...
Thats the God you are worshiping. He has committed far more crimes than Hitler, Milosivic, Kim Il Sung, etc. He has intentionally killed more innocent children than any other known person in history.
Well, lets just start with the intentional killing of little children if they happen to be boys, and the capture and rape of little girls if they are virgins. All because their parents didn't want to be slaves.
If I did that, would you say I had committed a sin?
If we kill a human being we are committing a sin... but God is the giver of life so it is his prerogative to take it back if he wants to. Eventually all humans will die physically so if God decides to end one's life earlier what difference does it make?
If we kill a human being we are committing a sin... but God is the giver of life so it is his prerogative to take it back if he wants to. Eventually all humans will die physically so if God decides to end one's life earlier what difference does it make?
Well then, what difference does it make if I take a life?
You are committed to a tautology. You believe that anything God does is perfect, and the reason you believe that is because you believe that God only does perfect things.
But you could apply that same standard to me, and then I would be perfect. It's a well known logical fallacy. If you drop that fallacy, you'll see that your concept of God is a mass murder, into slavery, genocide, human trafficking, and infanticide. If the God you believe in does exist, there is no reason to respect him, other than pure fear.
But if you break free from that tautology, then you'll see that God is a hideous thug, and worse than any modern war criminal.
It all fits into God's plan. We may not understand it now but in the future it will all makes sense to us. It sounds incredible but Satan can't do anything without God's permission, if it fits into his plan then he allowed Satan to do it. God is in full control of the events that will soon come to pass.
I don't believe in either a God or a Devil. But if I did, I would have to say that God has been far more harmful to humans than the Devil. God demands that you worship him, and if you don't, it is God that will cast you into the fires of hell for ever. That's God doing that, not the Devil.
Not to mention all of the times that God has admitted engaging in genocide, infantacide, and ordering the rape of young girls, etc. If you were going to worship someone, why him? He's about as big of a thug as you get.
It all fits into God's plan. We may not understand it now but in the future it will all makes sense to us. It sounds incredible but Satan can't do anything without God's permission, if it fits into his plan then he allowed Satan to do it. God is in full control of the events that will soon come to pass.
As of the present time some fallen angels are allowed to roam the earth, they are the ones influencing the rulers of many nations and also the reproduction of the nephilim who will one day rule with the Antichrist and the False Prophet.
In Rev 9, On the 5th Trumpet there was a war in heaven and Satan is cast down to earth with the KEY to the Bottomless Pit. This is where the most vicious fallen angels are imprisoned. Satan released millions of them to take over the bodies of the nephilim! Their leader named Abaddon will possess the body of the Prince and he becomes the Antichrist! There will be a reign of terror for 5 mos. and nations will yield to his rule.
Wilvan this is where all kinds of holes start to show up in the Christian logic. How can the bible's god not be an accomplice in all the evils of the world IF he allows Satan to do evil things as per your logic? So he allowed Satan to tempt Adam and Eve to do what with it?
And speaking of Satan and that bottomless pit mentioned in Revelation. Why is he released AFTER 1,000 years? To do what? When he s not around there is pace on earth, but then he is released to go back and terrorize the world. Am I missing the sense here?
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