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Old 06-30-2009, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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No....it comes when we realize we are wretched sinners in need of a savior.
Only false teachers want us to believe that. We are not subservient, sinful, depraved creatures. We are love made manifest and if you think you are a wretched sinner, then so be it. I'm not and I experience life for our Father. When we do that, we walk with God. Just Be. Be the love you are created for.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:34 AM
 
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Only false teachers want us to believe that. We are not subservient, sinful, depraved creatures. We are love made manifest and if you think you are a wretched sinner, then so be it. I'm not and I experience life for our Father. When we do that, we walk with God. Just Be. Be the love you are created for.
Are you without sin?
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Log home in the Appalachians
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Funny...but Jesus didn't put that clause in there.

He said that to non-Christians.
No, he said that the Gentiles and Jews in order to convert them to his following and at that time Christianity wasn't even invented,I don't think your Jesus went around calling himself a Christian.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:39 AM
 
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Are you without sin?
Divine Love is eradicating my inclination to sin. I have no past sins although I am not without sin.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:43 AM
 
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Divine Love is eradicating my inclination to sin. I have no past sins although I am not without sin.

Then you are a wretched sinner. As am I.

Without the atoning sacrifice of Christ your sins won't be forgiven.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:44 AM
 
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No, he said that the Gentiles and Jews in order to convert them to his following and at that time Christianity wasn't even invented,I don't think your Jesus went around calling himself a Christian.
He said w/out him you couldn't get to the Father. That's pretty clear. Jews and Gentiles. That includes you me both.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:53 AM
 
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Then you are a wretched sinner. As am I.

Without the atoning sacrifice of Christ your sins won't be forgiven.
The atoning is Divine Love. I have it. Sorry you cannot say the same. My inclination to sin will be eradicated and I will become At-One with God. I have all eternity and while I'm here, I am going to experience this life for our Father and not have one regret that I didn't please Him. I may not please humans but I don't have to answer to them. Good luck in your own journey.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Log home in the Appalachians
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He said w/out him you couldn't get to the Father. That's pretty clear. Jews and Gentiles. That includes you me both.
Well I guess I'll be traveling a different path than you and who knows we may meet or we may not meet each other at the end of those paths...
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Old 06-30-2009, 01:39 PM
 
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No....it comes when we realize we are wretched sinners in need of a savior.
Good one!
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Old 06-30-2009, 04:02 PM
 
Location: NC, USA
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No....it comes when we realize we are wretched sinners in need of a savior.
From the Latin, sin means "without" so in that sense, I am certainly a sinner, I am without belief in any of the gods. Does this mean I am going to hell? I doubt it. The closest I get to hell is having to listen to the christers trying to convert me, I lose patience rapidly.
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